Redfish Village Beach Access

[Kevin Thompson]

You are mean spirited. Go cuss somebody else. Read your posts and read mine and see who has a problem. Other opinions than yours are important and you are not the final say whether they add something "real". Who appointed you?

 

[Indigo Jill]

 

[Smiling JOe]

Do you know for sure that it's public? Just SHOW ME the warranty deed or quit claim deed or easement or something and I'll shut up about the beach east of the 83 access. But remember YOU brought it up again saying it was public.

It sounds like you've been listening to Neil Bortz's side kick with the "just damns." :funn:


Vagrant, you are being a little stickler about the beach east of the 83 access. I have posted the plat of the subdivision and one thing is definitely clear -- The Gulf front property owners do not own to the Mean High Water Mark. I have a goal for you. Find me a deed that shows who owns it, and until then, drop the issue. Since the seller of that subdivision in front of that beach did not have a deed for that beach, they had no authority to dedicate it as public, so it was probably always considered as public.

 

[BlueMtnBeachVagrant]

It sounds like you've been listening to Neil Bortz's side kick with the "just damns." :funn:

YEP! :clap_1: I just couldn't figure out any other reply to useless rhetoric. Looks like his feelings were hurt with such language.

Vagrant, you are being a little stickler about the beach east of the 83 access. I have posted the plat of the subdivision and one thing is definitely clear -- The Gulf front property owners do not own to the Mean High Water Mark. I have a goal for you. Find me a deed that shows who owns it, and until then, drop the issue.

What is "definitely clear" is that the individual lot lines for each lot do not go to the MHW line. What is NOT definitely clear from what you've seen is who owns the beach. Don't make assumptions.

think Since the seller of that subdivision in front of that beach did not have a deed for that beach, they had no authority to dedicate it as public, so it was probably always considered as public.

I have a reason to be elusive here...a promise to others.

Just for the sake of argument (which we never do here on SoWal ;-) ), let's say it's public. What then?
I say it makes no difference regarding bathroom lot #1. What's your take?

Then let's say it's private. What then?
Again, I say it makes no difference regarding bathroom lot #1. Same question...what's your take?

Truthfully, I'm confused why bathroom lot #1 even comes in to consideration at all after all that's happened. KT kept bringing it up, saying that it's still a possiblity and that he does not want to see RFV try to use it again....oh yea, for "selfish reasons".;-)

 

[Kevin Thompson]

Don't you worry about me Vagrant. I will sleep well knowing you are an out of towner, YOU DON'T EVEN LIVE HERE (that's what I meant by capitalized) and that you are "elusive" as you put it. That makes us all feel good that we should take at face value your two page rants every day and every night you are the king of "rhetoric".

 

[Smiling JOe]

Kevin, do you think that property owners who are not full time residents shouldn't have a voice in what goes on in an area near their property? From reading these last few posts, it sure seems that way. If I owned property near this access (and I don't), I doubt I would give out my the details of my property either from fear of what some nut-case might do based on what I say on this board. (not at all saying you are a nut-case, but you know what I mean.)

 

[Kevin Thompson]

Kevin, do you think that property owners who are not full time residents shouldn't have a voice in what goes on in an area near their property? From reading these last few posts, it sure seems that way. If I owned property near this access (and I don't), I doubt I would give out my the details of my property either from fear of what some nut-case might do based on what I say on this board. (not at all saying you are a nut-case, but you know what I mean.)

SJ I think they should have a voice but not one that drowns out the rest of us who have what we might think are "real" issues. It really seemed ironic to me after thinking about it that I was taking so much heat for admitting that part of the reason I thought the access on Lot 2 was a good idea was that it would keep people (ok maybe not everybody) from walking down the road in front of my house. Vagrant jumped all over my admitting being selfish on that point in a very overbearing, pompous, self-righteous way.:nono1: (just learned that feature).

What really got me was that if you come on this posting system and read you see that the three most vocal people (I have to include you), don't even live here. I am not saying your intentions are not honorable because you seem to look at all sides of the issue and I think help moderate the craziness. But Vagrant and Edroe just want a place to argue, stir the pot and if it wasn't revealed that they don't even live here (and Edroe doesn't even own property there) then maybe some people wouldn't realize what is going on here because I sure didn't but it is more clear to me now and probably everybody else who reads this.

 

[edroedrog]

SJ I think they should have a voice but not one that drowns out the rest of us who have what we might think are "real" issues. It really seemed ironic to me after thinking about it that I was taking so much heat for admitting that part of the reason I thought the access on Lot 2 was a good idea was that it would keep people (ok maybe not everybody) from walking down the road in front of my house. Vagrant jumped all over my admitting being selfish on that point in a very overbearing, pompous, self-righteous way.:nono1: (just learned that feature).

What really got me was that if you come on this posting system and read you see that the three most vocal people (I have to include you), don't even live here. I am not saying your intentions are not honorable because you seem to look at all sides of the issue and I think help moderate the craziness. But Vagrant and Edroe just want a place to argue, stir the pot and if it wasn't revealed that they don't even live here (and Edroe doesn't even own property there) then maybe some people wouldn't realize what is going on here because I sure didn't but it is more clear to me now and probably everybody else who reads this.

KT-I like the toned down version of you a lot better as you probably like me a lot better without all my innuendos.

I think the point of this board is to let people know what is going on. Again, like I have said in the past I am posting the facts and just want people to know that the development can not be trusted(I know we have a difference of opinion on this one). Just look at how they have handled this whole thing and you tell me. KT-I do not have a personal vendetta against you and your pro 260 Blue Mountain Rd east side group but I do have a bone to pick with the folks that caused this commotion in "YOUR" community. My issue is the way it has all been handled. If RFV would have gotten all proper approval prior to clearing the land than this would be a moot point. I know I have read on myflorida.com that the development is responsible for making sure that they cover their basis before advertising things they do not have.

I would encourage more guests to sign up and post their thoughts on the subject. I have noticed that sowal has more guest than they have members signed on at any given time(Not sure it the online stat is true or not). Not sure what that means but I would encourage you if you are a guest reading this to signup and post.

 

[Kevin Thompson]

KT-I like the toned down version of you a lot better as you probably like me a lot better without all my innuendos.

I think the point of this board is to let people know what is going on. Again, like I have said in the past I am posting the facts and just want people to know that the development can not be trusted(I know we have a difference of opinion on this one). Just look at how they have handled this whole thing and you tell me. KT-I do not have a personal vendetta against you and your pro 260 Blue Mountain Rd east side group but I do have a bone to pick with the folks that caused this commotion in "YOUR" community. My issue is the way it has all been handled. If RFV would have gotten all proper approval prior to clearing the land than this would be a moot point. I know I have read on myflorida.com that the development is responsible for making sure that they cover their basis before advertising things they do not have.

I would encourage more guests to sign up and post their thoughts on the subject. I have noticed that sowal has more guest than they have members signed on at any given time(Not sure it the online stat is true or not). Not sure what that means but I would encourage you if you are a guest reading this to signup and post.

Well I don't like not being able to say my position without getting crushed by a page long post by Vagrant. And I still think you are the worst enemy of the truth and the person who through innuendo acts like he knows the facts. Are you a lawyer or developer? Do you really think that developers always have a guarantee of all their approvals? I would jump right into that business if they did because they sure seem to make money and I would guess it is because they take some risk. You have called them liars, untrustworthy and acted like they are thieves until everybody here called you out and then you all of sudden said "I like them too". You are not to be trusted. I have never shied from saying I have friends there and will do what I can not to let you smear them.

 

[edroedrog]

Well I don't like not being able to say my position without getting crushed by a page long post by Vagrant. And I still think you are the worst enemy of the truth and the person who through innuendo acts like he knows the facts. Are you a lawyer or developer? Do you really think that developers always have a guarantee of all their approvals? I would jump right into that business if they did because they sure seem to make money and I would guess it is because they take some risk. You have called them liars, untrustworthy and acted like they are thieves until everybody here called you out and then you all of sudden said "I like them too". You are not to be trusted. I have never shied from saying I have friends there and will do what I can not to let you smear them.

You keep on saying that I am not truthful but yet you never take our challenge to answer the questions. I do know the facts I do have the facts. I receive more and more facts everyday KT because of this board. The only thing that I was wrong about was the 20% but NOG does have a financial relationship with H20 and that would be thought LGI (Not that it matters).

I said 'I liked them too" before you and SJ got onto me for calling it they way I see it.

I am not smearing them I am just exposing them and you do not like it KT. The truth will come out in the END.