Rednecks in Training

[kkddbb]

this is why i love uniforms in schools. Public, not only private!

even is the public system is a failure and the private system isnt?

 

[kkddbb]

that's a whole other thread and guess who would show up to sue if the school tried to prevent students from doing a "prayer round the flagpole"? Freedom of religion is a two way street.

that makes no sense. If your telling me that the aclu suing these teachers for praying on their own time is in defense of civil liberties than this debate is over. Do we need to get into what the aclu did against the american during the border debate. And i could go on and on and on and on. I urge you to look at the history of this organization and its founder.

 

[poppy]

oh poppy and bob once again united. both are fringe leftist that only look at liberal view, liberal news, liberal blogs and liberal print news. and it shows.........

i urge you both to see what the left does and how much they do it on a daily basis. not that you will. its easier to play sides and demean the opposition. rednecks, bob? my mother goes to church every weekend in new england, does that mean shes a redneck too?

although this group sounds a bit loopy as does the pastor, something tells me theres alot less hatred in them then both bob and poppy. im just saying.....

demeaning islam is something mslsd will consider racist and wrong, but if they wore anti-god shirts than they would be heroes.

and are you saying that islam is not of the devil? prove it. and ill be more than happy to counter that with logic based on the written koran.

WTF? I leave for a while and come back and find I'm in another fray. I thanked Bob because I doubt I would have seen this had he not posted. At the time I thanked him I didn't have a viewpoint on the matter, just thought it to be interesting. But now, I do agree with SWGB's post, Jesus Sucks shirts also have no place in schools just as any shirt mocking any religion should not be allowed, it is a distraction.

I am only familiar with Christianity, I have never studied or practiced Islam so I can't say if it is or is not the devil and don't really give a sheet since I agree with Lucifer that neither one exists. I feel people should be free to practice whatever religion they choose.

The ACLU is not just for Liberals, they protect everyones civil liberties. Stop letting extreme cases blind you to their mission. Hell forget it, I'm talking to a wall.

kkddbb I'm not your enemy, never have been but I have to say you really do have some anger issues. I don't know if you were gang raped by a group of liberals or what but take it out on them not me. We agree on far more things than we disagree on, it's just that we touch on the disagreeable issues.

Relax my man, don't let the small stuff get to you. Go have a serving of your favorite beverage, hug your loved ones and enjoy the remainder of the day and life itself.

 

[Matt J]

that makes no sense. If your telling me that the aclu suing these teachers for praying on their own time is in defense of civil liberties than this debate is over. Do we need to get into what the aclu did against the american during the border debate. And i could go on and on and on and on. I urge you to look at the history of this organization and its founder.

I'm with poppy, it's a brick wall and it's just tiresome and boring.

See y'all.

 

[Miss Kitty]

I'm with poppy, it's a brick wall and it's just tiresome and boring.

See y'all.

IMO, there is enough tiresome from both sides of these "arguments" for everyone.

 

[Lynnie]

Seeing as neither exist, they can't be anywhere.

Based upon this theory: agreed. So, what's the issue?

 

[mtlinscomb]

More fine work of our precious ACLU:

Michelle Malkin ? ACLU’s spying project: Operation CIA Paparazzi

Have you heard a peep from ACLU supporters about the group?s special spying project on undercover CIA agents? Me neither. It?s the subject of my syndicated column this week. IBD has an excellent editorial. Few other MSM papers have weighed in.
ACLU: Spying for America?s enemies
by Michelle Malkin
Creators Syndicate
Copyright 2009
Savor the silence of America?s self-serving champions of privacy. For once, the American Civil Liberties Union has nothing bad to say about the latest case of secret domestic surveillance. Because it is the ACLU that committed the spying.
Last week, the Washington Post reported on a new Justice Department inquiry into photographs of undercover CIA officials and other intelligence personnel taken by ACLU-sponsored researchers assisting the defense team of Guatanamo Bay detainees. According to the report, the pictures of covert American CIA officers ? ?in some cases surreptitiously taken outside their homes? ? were shown to jihadi suspects tied to the 9/11 attacks in order to identify the interrogators.
The ACLU undertook the so-called ?John Adams Project? with the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers ? last seen crusading for convicted jihadi assistant Lynne Stewart. She?s the far Left lawyer who helped jailed 1993 World Trade Center bombing/NY landmark bombing plot mastermind Omar Abdel-Rahman smuggle coded messages of Islamic violence from the imprisoned sheik to outside followers in violation of an explicit pledge to abide by her client?s court-ordered isolation.
The ACLU?s team used lists and data from ?human rights groups,? European researchers and news organizations who were involved in ?[t]racking international CIA-chartered flights? and monitoring hotel phone records. Working from a witch hunt list of 45 CIA employees, the ACLU team then tailed and photographed agency employees or obtained other photos from public records.
And then they showed the images to suspected al Qaeda operatives implicated in murdering 3,000 innocent men, women, and children on American soil.
Where is the concern for the safety of these American officers and their families? Where?s the outrage from all the indignant supporters of former CIA agent Valerie Plame, whose name was leaked by Bush State Department official Richard Armitage to the late Robert Novak? Lefties swung their nooses for years over the disclosure, citing federal laws prohibiting the sharing of classified information and proscribing anyone from unauthorized exposure of undercover intelligence agents.
ACLU executive director Anthony Romero refused to comment on Project CIA Paparazzi and instead whined some more about the evil Bush/CIA interrogators. Left-wing commentators and distraction artists are dutifully up in arms about such ?inhumane? tactics as blowing cigar smoke in the faces of Gitmo detainees. But it?s Romero blowing unconscionable smoke:
?We are confident that no laws or regulations have been broken as we investigated the circumstances of the torture of our clients and as we have vigorously defended our clients? interests,? he told the Post. ?Rather than investigate the CIA officials who undertook the torture, they are now investigating the military lawyers who have courageously stepped up to defend these clients in these sham proceedings.?
Courage? What tools and fools these jihadi-enablers be. Civil liberties opportunism is literally a part of the al Qaeda handbook. A terrorist manual seized in a Manchester, England raid in 2005 advised operatives: ?At the beginning of the trial ? the brothers must insist on proving that torture was inflicted on them by state security before the judge. Complain of mistreatment while in prison.? Jihadi commanders rehearsed the lines with their foot soldiers ?to ensure that they have assimilated it.?
Since 9/11, the selective champions of privacy have recklessly blabbed about counterterrorism operations, endangered the lives of military and intelligence officials at Gitmo, and undermined national security through endless litigation. They accused Bush immigration officials of xenophobia for pursuing visa overstayers from jihadi-friendly countries. They accused local law enforcement, FBI, and other homeland security officials of ?racial profiling? for placing heightened scrutiny on mosques and jihadi-linked charities.
Now, caught red-handed blowing the cover of CIA operatives, they shrug their shoulders and dismiss it as ?normal? research on behalf of ?our clients.?
But don?t you dare question their love of country. Spying to stop the next 9/11 is treason, you see. Spying to stop enhanced interrogation on Gitmo detainees is patriotic. And endangering America on behalf of international human rights is the ultimate form of leftist dissent.


I know the first words out of the first Libs mouth will be about Michelle Malkin being a right wing nut job, but it doesn't negate the existence of the John Adams Project.

 

[poppy]

More fine work of our precious ACLU:

Michelle Malkin ? ACLU’s spying project: Operation CIA Paparazzi

Have you heard a peep from ACLU supporters about the group’s special spying project on undercover CIA agents? Me neither. It’s the subject of my syndicated column this week. IBD has an excellent editorial. Few other MSM papers have weighed in.
ACLU: Spying for America’s enemies
by Michelle Malkin
Creators Syndicate
Copyright 2009
Savor the silence of America’s self-serving champions of privacy. For once, the American Civil Liberties Union has nothing bad to say about the latest case of secret domestic surveillance. Because it is the ACLU that committed the spying.
Last week, the Washington Post reported on a new Justice Department inquiry into photographs of undercover CIA officials and other intelligence personnel taken by ACLU-sponsored researchers assisting the defense team of Guatanamo Bay detainees. According to the report, the pictures of covert American CIA officers – “in some cases surreptitiously taken outside their homes” – were shown to jihadi suspects tied to the 9/11 attacks in order to identify the interrogators.
The ACLU undertook the so-called “John Adams Project” with the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers – last seen crusading for convicted jihadi assistant Lynne Stewart. She’s the far Left lawyer who helped jailed 1993 World Trade Center bombing/NY landmark bombing plot mastermind Omar Abdel-Rahman smuggle coded messages of Islamic violence from the imprisoned sheik to outside followers in violation of an explicit pledge to abide by her client’s court-ordered isolation.
The ACLU’s team used lists and data from “human rights groups,” European researchers and news organizations who were involved in “[t]racking international CIA-chartered flights” and monitoring hotel phone records. Working from a witch hunt list of 45 CIA employees, the ACLU team then tailed and photographed agency employees or obtained other photos from public records.
And then they showed the images to suspected al Qaeda operatives implicated in murdering 3,000 innocent men, women, and children on American soil.
Where is the concern for the safety of these American officers and their families? Where’s the outrage from all the indignant supporters of former CIA agent Valerie Plame, whose name was leaked by Bush State Department official Richard Armitage to the late Robert Novak? Lefties swung their nooses for years over the disclosure, citing federal laws prohibiting the sharing of classified information and proscribing anyone from unauthorized exposure of undercover intelligence agents.
ACLU executive director Anthony Romero refused to comment on Project CIA Paparazzi and instead whined some more about the evil Bush/CIA interrogators. Left-wing commentators and distraction artists are dutifully up in arms about such “inhumane” tactics as blowing cigar smoke in the faces of Gitmo detainees. But it’s Romero blowing unconscionable smoke:
“We are confident that no laws or regulations have been broken as we investigated the circumstances of the torture of our clients and as we have vigorously defended our clients’ interests,” he told the Post. “Rather than investigate the CIA officials who undertook the torture, they are now investigating the military lawyers who have courageously stepped up to defend these clients in these sham proceedings.”
Courage? What tools and fools these jihadi-enablers be. Civil liberties opportunism is literally a part of the al Qaeda handbook. A terrorist manual seized in a Manchester, England raid in 2005 advised operatives: “At the beginning of the trial … the brothers must insist on proving that torture was inflicted on them by state security before the judge. Complain of mistreatment while in prison.” Jihadi commanders rehearsed the lines with their foot soldiers “to ensure that they have assimilated it.”
Since 9/11, the selective champions of privacy have recklessly blabbed about counterterrorism operations, endangered the lives of military and intelligence officials at Gitmo, and undermined national security through endless litigation. They accused Bush immigration officials of xenophobia for pursuing visa overstayers from jihadi-friendly countries. They accused local law enforcement, FBI, and other homeland security officials of “racial profiling” for placing heightened scrutiny on mosques and jihadi-linked charities.
Now, caught red-handed blowing the cover of CIA operatives, they shrug their shoulders and dismiss it as “normal” research on behalf of “our clients.”
But don’t you dare question their love of country. Spying to stop the next 9/11 is treason, you see. Spying to stop enhanced interrogation on Gitmo detainees is patriotic. And endangering America on behalf of international human rights is the ultimate form of leftist dissent.


I know the first words out of the first Libs mouth will be about Michelle Malkin being a right wing nut job, but it doesn't negate the existence of the John Adams Project.

Peep, here is an article with a list of persons who have a different take on this. Make of it what you will.

FeelingElephants’s Weblog

11 April, 2008

John Adams Project: ACLU Fights for Justice for Guantanamo Detainees

Filed under: Judicial Branch — Webmonarch @ 11:33 am

The ACLU is nuts. But so was John Adams:

“One of the best pieces of service I ever rendered my country.”
–John Adams on his decision to defend British soldiers charged with killing Americans in the Boston Massacre

​

The American Civil Liberties Union is fighting for things which should seem obvious to all justice minded people: torture (and evidence gained from torture) is not ok; secret evidence and trials are not ok; being held without charge is not ok. And you know what? Quite a few people agree with the ACLU. Their list of statements of support for the John Adams Project include:

Norman Reimer, Executive Director of National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers
Janet Reno, Former United States Attorney General
Retired Rear Admiral John D. Hutson, Navy Judge Advocate General from 1997 to 2000, Current President and Dean, Franklin Pierce Law Center in Concord, New Hampshire
Patricia Perry, Mother of John William Perry, an NYPD officer who was killed on 9/11 while helping people escape from the World Trade Center
Lt. Colonel Stuart Couch, Lt. Colonel Stuart Couch is a lawyer and officer in the United States Marine Corps. In 2004, Lt. Colonel Couch withdrew from the prosecution of a Guant?namo Bay detainee, Mohamedou Ould Slahi, because he believed the evidence he was asked to use to prosecute Slahi had been obtained through torture, and was therefore inadmissible under U.S. and international law.
William Webster, Chairman of the Homeland Security Advisory Council. Director of the FBI from 1978 to 1987 and Director of the CIA from 1987 to 1991, Webster is a former federal judge and served in the U.S. Navy during World War II
September 11th Advocates, The September 11th Advocates are women whose spouses died on 9/11. The group was instrumental in the formation of the 9/11 Commissions and later called for a new, independent panel.
September 11th Families for Peaceful Tomorrows, Peaceful Tomorrows is an organization founded by family members of those killed on September 11th who have united to turn our grief into action for peace
​

Suppose you think the ACLU defends a lot of weird cases. Nazis and Porn and stuff the average person doe not want to talk about. And you would be right: the ACLU does amazing work stopping bad precedent from becoming doctrine. I think that makes them some of the coolest people around, but it also makes them unpopular and awkwardly intense. Fine. But right now they’re not fighting for anything tangential; they are fighting for some of the basic principals of the United States of America:

• You can’t torture people
• You need to tell them the evidence against them
• You need to have a public trial
• You can’t hold people without trial

The John Adams Project is as simple as that.
Inspirational Quote:

Amendment 8 – Cruel and Unusual Punishment
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
Amendment 6 – Right to Speedy Trial, Confrontation of Witnesses
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

 

[DD]

:shock:

 

[Bob]

bubba os