Religion in schools

[Bob]

Oh, I've been well aware that my cause will end tragically the entire time, believe you me!

And I have "caught the drift" that it's time to end this debate (thank goodness). This whole argument has gotten pretty pathetic (and off topic).

Please Kurt, don't ever create a category for religious discussion!

I'm still going to watch this thread, but feel no reason to respond unless I am called out.

My closing statements-

Belief in the Bible requires a certain amount of faith.
Belief in evolution and gap theories requires a certain amount of faith.
All religions require a certain amount of faith.







Thanks guys & gals -

a casual stroll through a lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything- frederich nietzsche

 

[woodworker]

so everyone in the beginning was christian....is that why we killed the injuns?

Shhhhh...don't tell the kids we killed the injuns!


Define "everyone" in the "beginning". Are you talking America, time, what?

 

[Rita]

You're drunk.

WW,
I have read and re-read your posts and I still don't know any more than when I started. You are so very brave to keep up your fight against facts and logic. But, in the end, I'm afraid your cause will end tragically.

............... You can't expect to post, have your last word and then declare you are not accepting replies. It doesn't work that way. Not here and not with this group.



Cheers, G

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:scratch:...Anyone remember SandyBanks?


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[Bob]

Shhhhh...don't tell the kids we killed the injuns!


Define "everyone" in the "beginning". Are you talking America, time, what?

we gave the injuns a christian burial.

 

[WhoDat1]

the compelling interest would be separation of church and state[the state being public education]. does the power of christ compel you to receive it?

Where does the phrase "seperation of church and state" appear in the constitution? re read the first amendment.

So what your saying, in a "limited" public forum, your right NOT to hear certain words or ideas outweigh the other individuals right to say them?

Keep in mind, I do not endorse organized school prayer. I speaking about a public forum, such as a graduation ceremony. AND I have previously stated that a state employee such as the principal or a teacher should NOT provide a prayer. However, if a private citizen, graduating with honors , is allowed the microphone, she should be allowed to speak her mind. Anarchist, Hindu, Muslim, whatever! Dangerous and irresponsible speeches liable to cause injury to persons or property are ALREADY restricted by law.

Prayer IS NOT a compelling state interest to restrcit protected speech. An 18 yr old praying at her graduation IS NOT establishing a religion or forcing persons to convert. Would it compel you?

The "seperation of church and state " is a phrase used by one of the framers of the Constitution, but not actually in the document. That being said, if you read the first Amendment you will see that free speech AND free excercise of religion IS protected. It only FORBIS cingress from ESTABLISHING state religion.

I may not agree with your words sir, but I would DIE for your right to speak them!

In Christ

Todd

 

[Bob]

Where does the phrase "seperation of church and state" appear in the constitution? re read the first amendment.

So what your saying, in a "limited" public forum, your right NOT to hear certain words or ideas outweigh the other individuals right to say them?

Keep in mind, I do not endorse organized school prayer. I speaking about a public forum, such as a graduation ceremony. AND I have previously stated that a state employee such as the principal or a teacher should NOT provide a prayer. However, if a private citizen, graduating with honors , is allowed the microphone, she should be allowed to speak her mind. Anarchist, Hindu, Muslim, whatever! Dangerous and irresponsible speeches liable to cause injury to persons or property are ALREADY restricted by law.

Prayer IS NOT a compelling state interest to restrcit protected speech. An 18 yr old praying at her graduation IS NOT establishing a religion or forcing persons to convert. Would it compel you?

The "seperation of church and state " is a phrase used by one of the framers of the Constitution, but not actually in the document. That being said, if you read the first Amendment you will see that free speech AND free excercise of religion IS protected. It only FORBIS cingress from ESTABLISHING state religion.

I may not agree with your words sir, but I would DIE for your right to speak them!

In Christ

Todd

prayer compelling religion? it would depend on the volume and interruption to the education process. who determines dangerous and irresponsible speech in an environment of unlimited free speech? christians?

 

[woodworker]

we gave the injuns a christian burial.

Ah - I read you now.

Good point. I can't explain all the acts that have gone before us. There's plenty of sin in man's christianity, though, and it can take over if you twist the Word. That, of course, doesn't approve genocide.

It's funny you say this after I said "showdown" and "armed".

By the way, Hitler thought he was a christian too.

 

[Lynnie]

I hereby declare the Last Word.

 

[woodworker]

I hereby declare the Last Word.

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[Lynnie]

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