Run Health Care like the Post Office

[CK1]

Barack Obama recently said:
I think private insurers should be able to compete...I mean. If you think about it, UPS and FedEx are doing just fine. It's the Post Office that's always having problems."
The President is acknowledging what we conservatives have been saying all along: That the private sector does a better job offering choices and delivering services to customers in a competitive and cost effective manner than a government-run monopoly.
But Obama and liberal Democrats in Congress are pushing for a government-run health care scheme that is inefficient, limits choices and hemorrhages taxpayer money like the Post Office.
Two weeks ago, the Post Office was called a "high risk" federal agency by the Government Accountability Office. The Post Office will have a $7 billion operating loss this year. So what makes the President, Nancy Pelosi and their left-wing allies think that government bureaucracy can run health care better than the private sector?
It's clear Americans simply aren't buying into the Democrats' government-run health care experiment. They are waking up to the fact that the Democrats are trying to strip us of more of our freedoms all in the name of their "government knows best" philosophy.
I don?t know about you, but I sure don?t need the government telling me whats best for me when they can?t run the Post Office and just lately they have shown they can?t even run the ?cash for clunkers? correctly. Heaven forbid they get a hold of our insurance.

 

[Mango]

So, I assume since you are so deadset against government enterprise, you use Fedex or UPS to mail your letters? :roll:

We have enough threads going about healthcare. Did you really need to start another?

 

[kkddbb]

So, I assume since you are so deadset against government enterprise, you use Fedex or UPS to mail your letters? :roll:

We have enough threads going about healthcare. Did you really need to start another?

respectfully, you just dont get it. the usps loses billions every single solitary year. if ups and/or fedex had that problem they wouldnt exist. we the taxpayer are paying for the post office to stay afloat. this is exactly what will happen with this so-called health reform. the far left activist in the president doesnt allow him to even understand capitalism and he shows this every single day and yet some still have faith in him and in government. government is not to be in business, but rather to protect the people allowing us to be in business.

you can bet that if amtrack was privately owned it too wouldnt lose billions yearly. think about the tax breaks we all could have from just those two entities alone.

 

[CK1]

So, I assume since you are so deadset against government enterprise, you use Fedex or UPS to mail your letters? :roll:

We have enough threads going about healthcare. Did you really need to start another?

As a matter of fact I do use UPS most of the time for shipping. Bills are paid on line and very rarely do I use USPO service.

I think the more healthcare posts we have, the more I can annoy the left winged liberals with "truth and logic" the better.

 

[Mango]

respectfully, you just dont get it. the usps loses billions every single solitary year. if ups and/or fedex had that problem they wouldnt exist. we the taxpayer are paying for the post office to stay afloat. this is exactly what will happen with this so-called health reform. the far left activist in the president doesnt allow him to even understand capitalism and he shows this every single day and yet some still have faith in him and in government. government is not to be in business, but rather to protect the people allowing us to be in business.

you can bet that if amtrack was privately owned it too wouldnt lose billions yearly. think about the tax breaks we all could have from just those two entities alone.

If you actually did your homework, you would find out that the USPS is self sufficient and has not been subsidized by taxpayers. Tapxpayers covered 23.3% of postal costs in 1971. A subsidy of that level in 2007 would have been approximately $16.9 billion. But direct subsidies to the USPS were phased out between 1972 and 1982. Today the USPS is funded entirely by revenues from postage.

As a matter of fact I do use UPS most of the time for shipping. Bills are paid on line and very rarely do I use USPO service.

I think the more healthcare posts we have, the more I can annoy the left winged liberals with "truth and logic" the better.

So worried about Granny getting rationed healthcare, but yet you want to remove her means of bill pay by having her pay over $10 for mailing her bills vs. .42 cents. Hmmm? Buy that prescription drug or pay my bills? Show me where UPS or Fedex can deliver that rate? Comparing USPS to Fedex is like comparing apples to oranges. They are two different business models.

You're not annoying me. I am having a huge chuckle and enjoying playing smack a mole.

 

[CK1]

If you actually did your homework, you would find out that the USPS is self sufficient and has not been subsidized by taxpayers. Tapxpayers covered 23.3% of postal costs in 1971. A subsidy of that level in 2007 would have been approximately $16.9 billion. But direct subsidies to the USPS were phased out between 1972 and 1982. Today the USPS is funded entirely by revenues from postage.

And you believe everything you ready from the US Government. That's a laugh.



So worried about Granny getting rationed healthcare, but yet you want to remove her means of bill pay by having her pay over $10 for mailing her bills vs. .42 cents. Hmmm? Buy that prescription drug or pay my bills? Show me where UPS or Fedex can deliver that rate? Comparing USPS to Fedex is like comparing apples to oranges. They are two different business models.

You're not annoying me. I am having a huge chuckle and enjoying playing smack a mole.

And you believe everything you ready from the US Government. That's a laugh.

Careful calling people names, Kurt might cut you off.

 

[kkddbb]

If you actually did your homework, you would find out that the USPS is self sufficient and has not been subsidized by taxpayers. Tapxpayers covered 23.3% of postal costs in 1971. A subsidy of that level in 2007 would have been approximately $16.9 billion. But direct subsidies to the USPS were phased out between 1972 and 1982. Today the USPS is funded entirely by revenues from postage.



So worried about Granny getting rationed healthcare, but yet you want to remove her means of bill pay by having her pay over $10 for mailing her bills vs. .42 cents. Hmmm? Buy that prescription drug or pay my bills? Show me where UPS or Fedex can deliver that rate? Comparing USPS to Fedex is like comparing apples to oranges. They are two different business models.

You're not annoying me. I am having a huge chuckle and enjoying playing smack a mole.

 

[TooFarTampa]

Forbes Magazine, in an online article this year detailing the USPS's need for reorganization, acknowledges it is an "independent" government agency but notes:

the Postal Service is not self-sufficient. It is kept afloat by a number of hidden taxpayer subsidies.

For starters, it has a monopoly on First Class and Standard mail. No private company can deliver a letter for less than $3 or twice what USPS charges, whichever is greater. And only USPS can legally use your mailbox, despite the fact that you own it.

Meanwhile, USPS is immune from antitrust lawsuits and exempt from taxes on its massive real-estate holdings, which include over 8,000 facilities. It enjoys power of eminent domain. And it doesn't even pay parking tickets.

None of those is an actual line item on the budget, however. The above advantages are real but do not demonstrate yearly cash infusions directly from the federal government.

Apparently one of the reasons they are struggling is that every year, thanks to a law passed in 2006, they have to "pre-fund" retirees health care benefits. A bill is working through Congress to suspend that so they can pay as they go. The agency is not allowed to carry more than $15billion in debt. Apparently it isn't there yet.

Not hard to see why the operating losses have increased dramatically in the past couple of years -- advertising budgets are way down, it appears fewer catalogs are being sent (based on my own household experience) and magazine subscriptions are falling.

 

[Smiling JOe]

I believe the PostMaster General received a six figure performance bonus for doing such a great job, losing only several billion in operating dollars last year. Wonderful. Maybe the bonus was worth it if he actually cut the loss from a larger number. That part is not reported, but several billion in losses in one year is no chump change, unless you are the Federal Gov't.

 

[Bob]

beach troll, kurt may be mailing you the cyber pink slip....special delivery