SB6 Punishment of Teachers Bill Passed in the Middle of the NIght

[Jdarg]

if I remember correctly Mark you are an attorney - do you have tenure with the State Bar. I am sure that we all need lawyers and doctors protected from unfair treatment by clients when they do not provide adequate expertise in representing them, or injure them.

Good Bill - Will improve the quality of education.

Good teachers have nothing to fear in this bill.

Yuk.

On another note- DING DING- WINNER!!! Congratulations- you are the first person that I have heard support this bill!

 

[rapunzel]

The time it passed was noted because it happened the night before and I thought people would be surprised. My problem with the bill has nothing to do with the time it was passed, and everything to do with the fact that it is crap and shows the depths of Republican contempt for education in all its glory. To not factor in advanced degrees in compensation is to de-professionalize teaching.

Teaching, like medicine, is an art as well as a profession. Teaching people to learn, inspiring intellectual curiosity, finding a child's unique intelligence and the ways they learn best -- this is what a teacher does. They do not just shove facts into a brain. This bill only rewards the skill required for a week long pre-test cram session.

Treat professionals like fast food workers, and you will be left with people better fit to serve fast food in charge of the next generation of Floridians.

Oh, and Matt Gaetz now says he's against his daddy's bill. That shift happened within the last two days after some internal polling showed his opponent, Jan Fernald, surging ahead in Tuesday's special election. He strongly supported the bill in the primary debates. I guess you could say he was for it before he was against it.

 

[Matt J]

it would not surprise me to see another Teacher Strike like in '68 or '69...or, teachers just leaving to either teach in another state, or leave the profession all together.

if one has not taught in a classroom, it may be difficult to understand what a horrendous job it is--And,to judge anything, student performance, or teacher performance, by a standardized test, is the height of stupidity IMO. There are so many other factors that go into the education of a student.

Believe me, when all is said and done, it is the children of Florida who will lose if this bill is allowed to become law--and ultimately we all lose, because these children are the leaders and workers of tomorrow.

If one digs deeply enough, I am sure there is a benefit here for someone who has nothing to do with educating our children.

Shame on the members of the legislature for going along with this travesty! And shame especially on those who are former teachers or administrators!

I'd be surprised since the teachers gave up the right to strike when they formed their union, it was one of the trade offs.

 

[GoodWitch58]

I'd be surprised since the teachers gave up the right to strike when they formed their union, it was one of the trade offs.

Okay. I guess you are right about that...but, maybe a walk away -- teaching is barely treated as a profession now; this would take away all of the professionalism and we will all suffer for it.

Barney Bishop, head of the giant Associated Industries, the business lobby--says (in the Tallahassee Democrat) all businesses are for it. So, does that mean all businesses give up the right to complain about not having an educated workforce when this bill becomes law?

Business and industry wanting to come to Florida complain about the lack of an educated work force now--so, do they really mean all they want are more graduates who are adept at taking standardized tests?

This bill provides for nothing more than an FCAT for teachers--and the one for students is bad enough. It has allowed us to graduate students who can take tests and pass; but, too many of them can not do simple math; they can not punctuate a sentence; they have no idea how to write a research paper; don't know the first thing about classic literature; can't make change without a calculator; have few critical thinking skills...the list is endless.

Yet, they can score well enough on a multiple choice test to be placed in a certain college class...then, when they fail the first test, or don't have a clue how to write a simple 500 word essay, they say: "but, I never had to do this in high school!" The students themselves blame the school system for not preparing them to do well in college--they should really be blaming the members of the legislature who propose and vote for bills such as SB 6. It is disgraceful that we are letting our children down in this manner--and sad that parents are allowing it to happen by voting for the people who would vote for such a bill; and by not holding these elected officials accountable when they do so. Hundreds of teachers journeyed to Tallahassee to oppose the bill--some parents did too; but, how many have talked to Rep. Coley and Senator Gaetz and asked why they are pushing/voting for this?

 

[idlewind]

The time it passed was noted because it happened the night before and I thought people would be surprised. My problem with the bill has nothing to do with the time it was passed, and everything to do with the fact that it is crap and shows the depths of Republican contempt for education in all its glory. To not factor in advanced degrees in compensation is to de-professionalize teaching.

Teaching, like medicine, is an art as well as a profession. Teaching people to learn, inspiring intellectual curiosity, finding a child's unique intelligence and the ways they learn best -- this is what a teacher does. They do not just shove facts into a brain. This bill only rewards the skill required for a week long pre-test cram session.

Treat professionals like fast food workers, and you will be left with people better fit to serve fast food in charge of the next generation of Floridians.

Oh, and Matt Gaetz now says he's against his daddy's bill. That shift happened within the last two days after some internal polling showed his opponent, Jan Fernald, surging ahead in Tuesday's special election. He strongly supported the bill in the primary debates. I guess you could say he was for it before he was against it.

True conservatives are NOT anti-education. We are for LOCAL control of education, not control by Washington OR Tallahassee. IMHO the people we elect here (like Mark Davis) should decide what our children are taught, what our teachers are paid and what the standards should be. This bill is nothing more than an attempt by the State to dictate to the local school boards and is reprehensible. What works in Miami does not work in Santa Rosa Beach and vice versa.

 

[GoodWitch58]

True conservatives are NOT anti-education. We are for LOCAL control of education, not control by Washington OR Tallahassee. IMHO the people we elect here (like Mark Davis) should decide what our children are taught, what our teachers are paid and what the standards should be. This bill is nothing more than an attempt by the State to dictate to the local school boards and is reprehensible. What works in Miami does not work in Santa Rosa Beach and vice versa.

I agree; just to be clear, it is the Florida Legislature, primarily Senator John Thrasher (R. Jacksonville) who is behind this bill; co-sponsor is our own Senator Gaetz; Senator Peaden and Rep. Coley also voted for it.

 

[idlewind]

I agree; just to be clear, it is the Florida Legislature, primarily Senator John Thrasher (R. Jacksonville) who is behind this bill; co-sponsor is our own Senator Gaetz; Senator Peaden and Rep. Coley also voted for it.

As George w. Bush plainly illustrated:
1. SAYING you are a conservative does not mean you ARE conservative; and,
2. All Republicans ARE NOT conservative.

 

[rapunzel]

As George w. Bush plainly illustrated:
1. SAYING you are a conservative does not mean you ARE conservative; and,
2. All Republicans ARE NOT conservative.

I would go so far as to say most of the Republicans in Tallahassee are not conservative. They are commercialists -- they don't try to find fiscally responsible solutions to problems, they just try to redirect the flow of money to private commercial interest based on the assumption that their for profit business buddies are more capable of running prisons and educating children than people who would be pathetic enough to work for state or local government.

Why is it so preferable to have people working in their own interest than in the public interest? At what point did a bad experience with a rude clerk at the DMV give the term bureaucrat such a negative connotation that everyone swallowed the line that private interests can always do the job better and cheaper. I don't think that has proven to be the case in real life.

This is the first step in a move to privatize education. SB6 maybe ideologically motivated, but the idoelogy behind it certainly isn't Conservatism.

 

[Interested Girl]

The time it passed was noted because it happened the night before and I thought people would be surprised. My problem with the bill has nothing to do with the time it was passed, and everything to do with the fact that it is crap and shows the depths of Republican contempt for education in all its glory. To not factor in advanced degrees in compensation is to de-professionalize teaching.

Teaching, like medicine, is an art as well as a profession. Teaching people to learn, inspiring intellectual curiosity, finding a child's unique intelligence and the ways they learn best -- this is what a teacher does. They do not just shove facts into a brain. This bill only rewards the skill required for a week long pre-test cram session.

Treat professionals like fast food workers, and you will be left with people better fit to serve fast food in charge of the next generation of Floridians.

Oh, and Matt Gaetz now says he's against his daddy's bill. That shift happened within the last two days after some internal polling showed his opponent, Jan Fernald, surging ahead in Tuesday's special election. He strongly supported the bill in the primary debates. I guess you could say he was for it before he was against it.

Please go back and read your original post specifically this part:

SB6 Punishment of Teachers Bill Passed in the Middle of the NIght

As these things so often go in Tallahassee, the House version of SB6 passed in the middle of the night last night.

These statements are not founded in fact - they are "political chum".

Your disclaimer of the basis of the post does not reflect reality.

All of this reminds me of the "Teabaggers" and Republican political pundits that predicted the health care reform was passed in the middle of the night and would destroy healthcare. The Bill was signed and everyone woke up the next morning and the world had not come to an end.

I have been a registered republican for all of my life and am shocked by the politicization of the issue, just as I am shocked when main stream Democrats now employ the same tactics that they attacked.

Guess I'm getting old but I long for "statesman" rather than "politicians".

You need to place a "political disclaimer" on this post. Talking points and spin.

 

[CPort]

it would not surprise me to see another Teacher Strike like in '68 or '69...or, teachers just leaving to either teach in another state, or leave the profession all together.

if one has not taught in a classroom, it may be difficult to understand what a horrendous job it is--And,to judge anything, student performance, or teacher performance, by a standardized test, is the height of stupidity IMO. There are so many other factors that go into the education of a student.

Believe me, when all is said and done, it is the children of Florida who will lose if this bill is allowed to become law--and ultimately we all lose, because these children are the leaders and workers of tomorrow.

If one digs deeply enough, I am sure there is a benefit here for someone who has nothing to do with educating our children.

Shame on the members of the legislature for going along with this travesty! And shame especially on those who are former teachers or administrators!

this is so true. I'm so glad I'm retired only because of the above.I sit by a high school math teacher in choir and she can retire at any time with 25 years in the classroom and that is the only reason she will next year.The pressure has become unreal.BTW she is one of the best and she is burned out.