Thank You Mr. President

[Wastin Away]

You dodged every question/point I made in your direct response to me. All you've clarified is that you're not hurting but rather that the people you've decided to lay off are.

I love when successful business owners do that thing where when a democrat comes into office and there is the possibility that their sweetheart tax breaks and loopholes are going away- they say things like-

"Well I'll be left with no choice but to let people go."

Um, actually- you're left with many choices besides laying people off. You could cut other costs, focus on driving revenue for higher margin products, increase add on sales/drive repeat business, sell assets at their peak value, etc. etc. etc. AND


I am not going to debate with you about the reasons why my husband had to make his decisions. He did on the advisement of his account and attorney and so be it. He could have just closed the doors and everyone would have lost their jobs. We don't make our income from this businsess so if it closed it would not effect us. He does it because he loves what the business is about and loves the community that depends on his business. Go enjoy what you do.

my favorite one-
You could choose to pay yourself less.

I am a passionate entrepreneur myself. And I have no issue with someone deciding that they aren't going to pay themselves less if sales are down or if taxes are up or if there are health care premiums to provide.

You said you're comfortable. Super. But it is your decision to lay your people off so that you can remain comfortable. And there is nothing wrong with that.

It is just business.

I am not going to debate with you anymore. We don't depend on this business to meet our financial needs so he could just shut the doors and everyone would be without a job. He loves what he does, he loves his employees and he loves the community that has supported his business for 78 years. He did was what necessary to make sure the doors could stay open another 78 years. Hopefully you enjoy what you do and would do what it took to keep your doors open. Maybe someday he will be able to re-hire, we just hope it is sooner than later. Have a wonderful day. I am.

 

[Bob]

Are you a small business owner UGABUGA? Have you ever had to make sure you had enough money in the bank to make sure 115 employees could cash their payroll checks, have you ever had to make sure your bank account had enough money each week to meet your companies business expenses, have you ever had to make sure you had enough money to make sure you could pay for the employees heath care costs and all of other taxes associated with being a small business owner. If you are then God bless you because you are helping support 70% of the jobs in this country. These problems were not an issue 8 years ago. They are NOW!!!!, so until you are in our shoes dont tell me about thanking the last President. The issues have resulted from decisions this President and this Congress have made in the past 18 months.

perhaps change will be good for your plantation view of the world

 

[Wastin Away]

perhaps change will be good for your plantation view of the world

Have a blessed day!!

 

[Geo]

Wastin Away, your evolution from being a victim of Obama in post 1 to your attitude of-

the employees are lucky we don't just close the doors and they'll all be out of jobs

in your last response to me

was really really fun to watch.

So same to you (have a wonderful day as well)!

G

 

[sarawind]

I am not going to debate with you anymore. We don't depend on this business to meet our financial needs so he could just shut the doors and everyone would be without a job. He loves what he does, he loves his employees and he loves the community that has supported his business for 78 years. He did was what necessary to make sure the doors could stay open another 78 years. Hopefully you enjoy what you do and would do what it took to keep your doors open. Maybe someday he will be able to re-hire, we just hope it is sooner than later. Have a wonderful day. I am.

Looks as if all the folks harping at you Wastin Away must be unemployed or employees. I don't know for sure about that but any small business owner in this country understands your position. You are a big bad small business owner. The people Obama is doing his best to ruin because you aren't on the government teat and cannot be controlled and counted on for your vote. So you (we) are being taxed and regulated out of business. Where will all the naysayers work then?

 

[Wastin Away]

Wastin Away, your evolution from being a victim of Obama in post 1 to your attitude of-

the employees are lucky we don't just close the doors and they'll all be out of jobs

in your last response to me

was really really fun to watch.

So same to you (have a wonderful day as well)!

G

Have a blessed day Geo and good luck in the future.

 

[Geo]

I know I'm beating a dead horse here but I'm still enjoying your thread.

So getting back to Post 1-you (sarcastically) thanked Obama for:

- Health care premiums
- New debt
- The stimulus
- The high unemployment rate
-The mishandling of the oil spill
-A reform bill that might raise bank fees
-Allowing an expiration date that Bush specified in Tax Cuts to stand

So which of these things are you citing as reasons to layoff 50 people *today*???

I ask because most of these haven't gone into effect yet and won't for a while. So either you're just being proactive and planning ahead with your unfortunate layoffs or you're giving the President too much credit for them.

 

[sarawind]

It's the 'ripple effect' . Not hard to understand. Throw a rock in the pond labeled stimulus and Obamacare and it starts.

 

[Edgy Grammy]

I must be simple minded...cause I DO THINK, and KNOW that this one little man (your words not mind) has an agenda, he came into office with it, has surrounded himself with the same type little men and right now has control over both houses filled with the same type little men and women and their goal is to change America and make it into their image...and the hell with anyone that thinks differently. After reading your many posts the other day, which were really harsh for you, as usually you are pretty rational Geo, I am going to place you in that same little group of "little men."

 

[Geo]

Hi Edgy,

You are interpreting connotations from the terms I used "one little man" and "simple minded" that weren't originally intended. And your applying new ones of your own.

My central point is that the economy is very complex and there are factors beyond the legislative actions or ideas of any one sitting president that affect its health. The economy is bigger than one individual so we shouldn't assign
too much blame or
too much credit to any one individual for what the economy looks like. There's a reason we have so many economists with so many different (often opposing) views on how
to steer our economy. Because it is so not simple.

I attempted to objectively dissect our original posters thesis. Irrespective of what she thinks of Mr. Obama's legislation I find it doubtful that his body of work is to blame for her husband's business decision to layoff 50 people. In other words, I called bull ****. Is that harsh? Well I guess rational thought and truth sometimes isn't cordial or pretty.

If you believe I'm wrong then apply your wisdom and show me where. Calling me a little man might be funny and make you feel good but it doesn't disprove my points.