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beachmouse said:
The RC Church's treatment of Galileo notwithstanding, there's actually a very long and significant history of Christianity supporting scientific research and endeavours in an attempt to better understand God's creation. Look at the Jesuits and their ongoing quests for to both learn and then teach qwhat they learn at the highest possible levels.
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excellent point.

It is my understanding that the Catholic Church (while certainly far from perfect) supports and encourages scientific discovery especially in the area of creation. Humans have the gift of intelligence and should use it to further their knowledge of creation, medicine, life, etc.. - scientific basis of discovery doesn't have to go against God or faith or religion (its a matter of personal perspective I suppose). Scientific discovery is important and humans have the innate drive and the ability and the duty to pursue as much as humanly possible. The Church sees science as a way to honor God but not necessarily to understand God - as God can't be explained by science.
 
The part of the discussion on Islam reminded me of an interesting Mohammed quote that a friend recently shared with me: "The ink of the scholar is more sacred than the blood of the martyr."

This makes me think that some of the prophet's true teachings have been lost over time.
 
Religion and science can VERY happily co-exist - even in very traditional religious colleges.

I do not know that the same can be said WITHIN the Republican party.
 
NotDeadYet said:
Here is one scientist who does not think it is either/or when it comes to science and religion:
Amazon.com: The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief (9781416542742): Francis S. Collins: Books.
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http://www.project-reason.org/archive/item/the_strange_case_of_francis_collins2/

The fact that some scientists do not detect any problem with religious faith merely proves that a juxtaposition of good ideas/methods and bad ones is possible. Is there a conflict between marriage and infidelity? The two regularly coincide. The fact that intellectual honesty can be confined to a ghetto?in a single brain, in an institution, in a culture, etc?does not mean that there isn?t a perfect contradiction between reason and faith, or between the worldview of science taken as a whole and those advanced by the world?s ?great,? and greatly discrepant, religions.
 
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scooterbug44 said:
Religion and science can VERY happily co-exist - even in very traditional religious colleges.

I do not know that the same can be said WITHIN the Republican party.
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true. but, I do know many republicans who happen to be highly educated, supporters of science who may or may not be particularly religious. I think you and others here are referencing a growing segment within the party which is a concern (for our country's future) for obvious reasons.
 
Yes, I think it has little to do with education/indoctrination/demographics etc. and FAR more with the Republican party's messages conflicting with science.

IMO few scientists are left once evolution, stem cell research, environmental policy, government funding of research, Christian focused history rewrites, and global warming have been factored in.
 
scooterbug44 said:
Yes, I think it has little to do with education/indoctrination/demographics etc. and FAR more with the Republican party's messages conflicting with science.

IMO few scientists are left once evolution, stem cell research, environmental policy, government funding of research, Christian focused history rewrites, and global warming have been factored in.
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like "family values" as a focus of strategy and marketing over the years as GOP took ownership of this concept - in a very successful way - regardless of the exclusive narrowness of its definition. and regardless of its total BS political ploy. scary because it tends to take root, and have a high degree of effectiveness. probably because of its direct tie to religious beliefs.
 
Another thing is that scientists encounter uncertainty along the way, often having to temporarily consider the possible truth of two conflicting ideas until more information is gathered. The hallmark of conservatism is to quickly make a decision and take a position. It's black and white. There is no such thing as leaning toward a position or putting your weight behind a conclusion. It's all or nothing.
 
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