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Nice discussion. IMO, the RE market puts a floor in when a investor can buy something with an 8 or 10 cap rate renting to vacationers. In other words, it's a good investment. I don't think you will see that in Watercolor, the lowest priced homes are $800K and no way they are going to cash flow $80K, at least I don't think they will, but I am seeing deals every now and then along 30A that will pay for themselves in 15 years or less especially if you live here and and manage them yourself. Most are snapped up pretty quick with multiple offers, that tells me where the bottom is and what any bank REO's/ short sales will sell for in the future. When the rent pays the note, buyers will step in.

Cheers, it is a good discussion. The really encouraging sign is that the board is completely absent of the boosters that were here in droves in 2004/2005. eyeball counts for this specific Real Estate section are way way down by my observation, and posts on these threads that discuss PRICE DIRECTION of south walton appear to be a fraction of what they were from 2004 to 2008.

I agree with you only partially. I think there are some steals, that are being snapped up, outside of the 'make believe' communities on 30A, that will pay for themselves. To me, that makes them steals, because it has always been and may well continue to be that Cap Rates in resort communities don't reach the kind of Cap Rate you'd see in a multi-family or section 8 apartment complex in Jackson, MS.,.. I think expecting a Cap Rate of 3.5% or so, is more realistic, and I agree I don't think you can even get there with a Watercolor home at 275 a foot... I think even those distress sales need to be 10% cheaper to achieve any cap rate at all, and only after a couple years of marketing effort. but alas in a deflationary or near zero inflationary environemnt, with helicopter Ben Bernanke at the helm and money becoming less valuable everday, a 3.5% cap rate aint all that bad, especially if that doesn't account for personal enjoyment and expense savings of a few weeks a year at the property for the owner themselves.

I don't know WHY the irrationality between investments persists for centuries sometimes. I'm open to hearing why the irrationality exists, and if you see it changing this century.

I'm so bulled up on South Walton now, because I think that the only people benefiting from the recovery so far, are folks with investable assets, and those aren't really the Panama City or Destin crowd, those are the South Walton buyers - PCB buyers are largely like 80% of Americans in that they have ZERO investable assets, outside of what they thought they had in home equity on their first home, and the 50K they have tied up in their 401K plan at work, that they contribute half the max to per year.

Then you take a look at the fact that 30A supply is SEVERELY limited as compared to outlying comparable areas all along the gulf coast. Why? well its simple, its b/c of the height restrictions on building beach condo's, and you have a recipe to see immediate stabilization this spring, and then . . . a moderate (not slow) price aclivity over the next two decades, as a large fraction of the well heeled in an 8 or 9 state area from Texas to Georgia, up to Tennessee and Missourri, descend on the Emerald Coast and realize what a lot of you already know... that you just "have to be" on 30A, and then anywhere else is not a substitute. It's irrational to some extent too, but that's the way people who have the money will think about the decision IMHO.
 
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I agree with Scooterbug.
Beware when all the hype is coming from a realtor. It's what they do....
 
I agree with Scooterbug.
Beware when all the hype is coming from a realtor. It's what they do....

that's great, I hope everyone down there, agrees with Scooterbug seriously.

Are there any other investments that most of you agree will NOT work out? I'm always looking out for opportunities.
 
Exactly what part do you have such a problem with? :idontno:

Hell, I even said "now is a good time to buy."

Is it that I don't think someone who fails to buy this week severely misses out?
 
Exactly what part do you have such a problem with? :idontno:

Hell, I even said "now is a good time to buy."

Is it that I don't think someone who fails to buy this week severely misses out?

don't misquote me, I'm saying you have 6 weeks, not one. :)

i only disagree with the negative parts of your posts above, but for the record, I sincerely wish everyone was full negative, not just a little negative like some of your posts indicate.

For instance I disagree when you say:

"We didn't run out of inventory during the boom, so I think we've got some wiggle room coming out of the bust.

Especially with a record year of foreclosures scheduled to add to the inventory.
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I'm thinking the juicy REO inventory is contracted for in 4 weeks, and the public will know about it when it all becomes public record within 6 or 7.
 
agreed completely. Alys should be around $400 a foot at best right now, depending of course on distance from the beach. Seaside should be a smidge higher than that, and Watercolor and Rosemary should both be around $275 a foot, depending again on finishes, and distance to beach/location within each 'makeplace'. Foreclosure pricing outside of these 'makeplaces' in Seagrove, Seacrest and similar are where the deals are that are reasonable, and offer the potential, IMHO, for significant appreciation over even the near term. Like $120 per sq foot type deals - THERE ARE VERY FEW OF THESE LEFT by the way. When they are gone, , then prices will start "stabilizing" ; I think these remaining $120per ft deals in places like Seagrove are going to be snapped up, not this spring, but in the next 60 days.

good luck

So I guess the 2nd tier home sale on Friday in Rosemary Beach for $765/sf was way off the map, based on what you guys are saying is too much to pay for a property. :idontno: What price/sf do you think it should have sold for?
 
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So I guess the 2nd tier home sale on Friday in Rosemary Beach for $765/sf was way off the map, based on what you guys are saying is too much to pay for a property. :idontno: What price/sf do you think it should have sold for?

What!!!:eek:It may be under contract, but how will it appraise? I know the usual come back to that is.... "They are paying cash.... it doesn't have to appraise.". Well, if someone has that kind of money to spend, don't you think its from hard work? I don't think they'd just fork it over on pure emotion. It has to make some sense for goodness sake. A realtor could give the current price per square.... but I'd venture a guess that it's less than half of that. The only way I can dream of someone putting in an offer like that is complete misinformation, or no information, on current comps. They just don't know the area. IDK:idontno:
 
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