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A hellava lot! But you have to be smart enough to realize it.

So you're going to attack my intelligence?

My point was that Fox News simply makes up most their stories and facts as well. The comedy that is "fair and balanced" should insult your intelligence.
 
So you're going to attack my intelligence?

My point was that Fox News simply makes up most their stories and facts as well. The comedy that is "fair and balanced" should insult your intelligence.
I won't repeat the Liberal/Conservative age saying as you already know it. I have never questioned your intelligence, only the fact that, to me, you have been misled. Sorry if you think I was insulting but you sometimes bring it on yourself as I do. Can you accept that? I can but don't expect me to take it lying down anymore than you do.
Regarding Fox News. Once again we totally disagree. It is the most watched news outlet in the nation and I feel usually spot on. We won't ever agree on most political matter. I accept that and so should you but it won't stop me from commenting when I think you are wrong and I am sure it will be the same for you.
 
Your opinions/views color how you see it.

Ditto for me - I can't watch it for more than 30 seconds without talking back to the TV to refute the inaccurate or misleading thing they have just said.
 
Your opinions/views color how you see it.

Ditto for me - I can't watch it for more than 30 seconds without talking back to the TV to refute the inaccurate or misleading thing they have just said.
I think both of you are confusing news with commentary. Their news shows are different from O'Reilly, Beck and Hannity etc. Remember it is a 24 hour news network and I will agree that some commentary creeps into their news presentation. However, there are stories on Fox and CNN that you will not see on the mainstream networks, if for no other reason, time constraints.
 
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Always Fox News, never MSNBC, always Hanity, never Olberman, always Beck, never Maddow, always ... how many of the fox bashers on this board regularly tune into MSNBC, CBS, or NBC to get their fill of the nightly news?

This argument has been hashed and rehashed on this board a thousands times, nobody is every going to change thier mind. I say watch whatever channel you want. We're all smart enough to know when somebody is spinning something. Personally I *like* certain fox shows, especially Bret Baier and his crew, they serve as welcome balance to CNN. Hannity and Olby should get together and go bowling, they're like peas in a pod.
 
I won't repeat the Liberal/Conservative age saying as you already know it. I have never questioned your intelligence, only the fact that, to me, you have been misled. Sorry if you think I was insulting but you sometimes bring it on yourself as I do. Can you accept that? I can but don't expect me to take it lying down anymore than you do.
Regarding Fox News. Once again we totally disagree. It is the most watched news outlet in the nation and I feel usually spot on. We won't ever agree on most political matter. I accept that and so should you but it won't stop me from commenting when I think you are wrong and I am sure it will be the same for you.

The [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telegraph_Agency_of_the_Soviet_Union"]Telegraph Agency[/ame] had a pretty big following too, it doesn't mean they reported unbiased news.

I'm curious, when you are watching Fox News how often, estimate, do you agree with the person delivering the news? Not a commentator or pundit.
 
The Telegraph Agency had a pretty big following too, it doesn't mean they reported unbiased news.

I'm curious, when you are watching Fox News how often, estimate, do you agree with the person delivering the news? Not a commentator or pundit.
What are you talking about? If I am watching a news report I am interested in what the reporter, whoever it may be, is presenting, not thinking about whether I agree with them or not. I learned many years ago to seperate commentary from news and if commentary should occur sometimes I agree and sometime I don't. That, to me, is a rather normal reaction.
 
Always Fox News, never MSNBC, always Hanity, never Olberman, always Beck, never Maddow, always ... how many of the fox bashers on this board regularly tune into MSNBC, CBS, or NBC to get their fill of the nightly news?

This argument has been hashed and rehashed on this board a thousands times, nobody is every going to change thier mind. I say watch whatever channel you want. We're all smart enough to know when somebody is spinning something. Personally I *like* certain fox shows, especially Bret Baier and his crew, they serve as welcome balance to CNN. Hannity and Olby should get together and go bowling, they're like peas in a pod.
we are all smart enough? today's quiz....how do you tell if someone is spinning the news?
 
News is not presented today the way it once was partly because most of it comes through television which is basically an entertainment medium. Consequently, news gets spun according to what you watch and how you, personally interpret it, according to your beliefs when spin is involved.
There has been only one time in my life when I heard the news without some occasional spin. It was when I was stationed in England and listening to the BBC. The newscaster would come on and say, "This is the BBC and here is the news." and read it without comment of any kind. This is also not the case with the BBC nor any other network today, IMO.
 
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