Walton Deputies To Unionize.

[idlewind]

Well I hope at some point I get to set in on a meeting with PBA, because I have now heard of two meetings with PBA rep's and no one told me anything about those meetings, sent me a card to fill out, nor do I know of any other meeting or meetings scheduled in the near future.
Something just isn't right here.

Sure doesn't sound to good.

 

[chrisv]

My issue with this whole PBA thing is this. If your going to do something in our best interest. Why didnt you come in and have a mass meeting. Pass out cards yourself. Tell us yourself what the PBA collective bargining was about. Why did you leave it to the select deputies to do, who did it in such a manner that came across as shady and under minded. They honestly may have good intentions in mind, but its going to be hard to go back and make this look as if thats what it was now. Not ever deputy was told about this, and even Mayo told us that he didnt understand, and that to him ever deputy should of been approached.

You always get volunteers to pitch the program, because when the paid guys do it, it comes across as "join the union so I can justify my salary..."

Something just isn't right here.

It's very concerning that we've got folks from Tallahassee, Orlando and Miami coming into Walton County to tell our folks what is best for them.

 

[leo101]

LEO101 you are here in an attempt to play Gotcha' games and cloud the judgement of other deputies, no matter what I or anyone else says here you will continue.... It will pass because no matter what you do or say, others in the Department realize the chance they have to secure their future. Now please stop trying to side step the issue. Sheriff elect Adkinson was protected under a PBA Contract while he was a Correctional Probation Officer and while he was a TPD Officer. If it was so wrong, why did he not give back any of the benefits that he recieved under the contract?
I believe the reasoning for you being anti-union is, you can't use the Good 'ol boy system to get ahead under a PBA Contract, you are judged on your merits as a Law Enforcement Officer, not on how much you cozy up to the administration.
Side note, What was discussed at the Meeting with Sheriff Elect Adkinson at the Waffle House? Why was the whole department not invited?

Have a nice day and be safe out there.

To the Deputies involved in the shooting last night, Good Job!!!
I hate that it had to end the way it ended, but you are the front line defense protecting all of us. Thank you!!!

So now the truth is a "Gotcha Game", amazingly no where in your post did I see you deny making this statement.

And why do you continue to bring up Mr. Adkinson and previous employers that had PBA contracts? That has no bearing on the issues at hand. And please explain exactly how you give some of these contract benefits back. Its my understanding that regardless of whether you wanted the PBA or not you are stuck with what ever they (PBA) gets you in the contract, if its voted in.

And your accusation that I am cozying up to the administration simply because I don?t see things as you do is APPALLING.

Since you so knowledgeable in the PBA, please explain how "WE" fire a particular rep. If it comes to life that we do get PBA collective bargaining, I have a real problem with you representing my best interest... And from the looks of other post on here, I don?t think I'm alone in that.

 

[The Watcher]

Very defensive PBA

So now the truth is a "Gotcha Game", amazingly no where in your post did I see you deny making this statement.

And why do you continue to bring up Mr. Adkinson and previous employers that had PBA contracts? That has no bearing on the issues at hand. And please explain exactly how you give some of these contract benefits back. Its my understanding that regardless of whether you wanted the PBA or not you are stuck with what ever they (PBA) gets you in the contract, if its voted in.

And your accusation that I am cozying up to the administration simply because I don?t see things as you do is APPALLING.

Since you so knowledgeable in the PBA, please explain how "WE" fire a particular rep. If it comes to life that we do get PBA collective bargaining, I have a real problem with you representing my best interest... And from the looks of other post on here, I don?t think I'm alone in that.

It seems to me that the PBA Reps are not listening to their potential constituents. For as many of them are for PBA, there are just as many, if not more opposed (at least at this time). I have yet to get a response showing me where in the State a positive and favorable contract has been approved and passed (excluding corrections).

Is this type of attitude what can be expected should a small majority actually vote in the union? To me, this attitiude seems a bit reminiscent of someone who does not have the interests of the department first, just their own agenda. Just a thought.

w

 

[Bob Wells]

Watcher,
What makes a different how many and who has contracts? As for a small majority voting in a Union, sometimes that is the way it is. It usually starts small, with a potential for growth after that is good. I know the Firefighters have all line personnel except for one and we have quite a few of the Dispatchers though uncertain how many of those we have.

 

[WhoDat1]

So now the truth is a "Gotcha Game", amazingly no where in your post did I see you deny making this statement.

And why do you continue to bring up Mr. Adkinson and previous employers that had PBA contracts? That has no bearing on the issues at hand. And please explain exactly how you give some of these contract benefits back. Its my understanding that regardless of whether you wanted the PBA or not you are stuck with what ever they (PBA) gets you in the contract, if its voted in.

And your accusation that I am cozying up to the administration simply because I don?t see things as you do is APPALLING.

Since you so knowledgeable in the PBA, please explain how "WE" fire a particular rep. If it comes to life that we do get PBA collective bargaining, I have a real problem with you representing my best interest... And from the looks of other post on here, I don?t think I'm alone in that.

We will have our OWN reps once the union is in place. They will be elected by the union....This is how I understand it.

 

[WhoDat1]

It seems to me that the PBA Reps are not listening to their potential constituents. For as many of them are for PBA, there are just as many, if not more opposed (at least at this time). I have yet to get a response showing me where in the State a positive and favorable contract has been approved and passed (excluding corrections).

Is this type of attitude what can be expected should a small majority actually vote in the union? To me, this attitiude seems a bit reminiscent of someone who does not have the interests of the department first, just their own agenda. Just a thought.

w

What do you mean a "positive and favorable contract"? Go to the Northwest Florida Police Benevolent Assocition site and click on "view current ECSO contract". www.nwfpba.org

If the union is voted in....everyone should get involved and vote in reputable reps and board members to protect deputies best interests.

 

[The Watcher]

What???

Watcher,
What makes a different how many and who has contracts? As for a small majority voting in a Union, sometimes that is the way it is. It usually starts small, with a potential for growth after that is good. I know the Firefighters have all line personnel except for one and we have quite a few of the Dispatchers though uncertain how many of those we have.

I am posing a simple question that I would hope all those considering a Union would want answered.

What success has the PBA had in its contract negotiations? All I am asking for is a success story to share with the group. Is that too much to ask from a group soliciting the Sheriffs Department for its representation?

Don't you want to see how successful they have been?

 

[The Watcher]

Positive

What do you mean a "positive and favorable contract"? Go to the Northwest Florida Police Benevolent Assocition site and click on "view current ECSO contract". www.nwfpba.org

If the union is voted in....everyone should get involved and vote in reputable reps and board members to protect deputies best interests.

Boy, I had no idea this would be so difficult.

Let me rephrase the question:

What other Law Enforcement offices/departments have the FL PBA negotiated a contract for, where the "New" PBA Contract, is better then the "old" non-PBA Contract?

I don't know, so I am asking. I will assume that the ECSO contract is one by PBA, but do members feel it is better then the one they had?

Just curious, what are some of the "best interests" that officers have concerns about? I have heard about some individuals fearing being "let go" due to certain loyalties, but FL is an "at will" employment State, not that it makes it right. I have also heard a little rumbling about Over Time pay. Any others? Can you or someone else elaborate?

 

[WhoDat1]

well....

Boy, I had no idea this would be so difficult.

Let me rephrase the question:

What other Law Enforcement offices/departments have the FL PBA negotiated a contract for, where the "New" PBA Contract, is better then the "old" non-PBA Contract?

I don't know, so I am asking. I will assume that the ECSO contract is one by PBA, but do members feel it is better then the one they had?

Just curious, what are some of the "best interests" that officers have concerns about? I have heard about some individuals fearing being "let go" due to certain loyalties, but FL is an "at will" employment State, not that it makes it right. I have also heard a little rumbling about Over Time pay. Any others? Can you or someone else elaborate?

I don't know Watcher....all of the agencies that called the PBA (or the FOP, teamsters, IUPA) in did so for some reason. I guess different officers from all over the state could be interviewed for this forum but thats asking for time investment that I don't have. Did you look at Escambia's ontract? Are you a cop? Does it not look better than the "at will" "good ole boy" system we have here?

We feel that the time for rules and regulations to be concrete, even handed discipline, competetive promotions, fair and impartial demotions, pay for time worked, step and merit increases, shift differential pay and job security regardless of politics (and numerous other issues) is now. Most of us are optimistic that the new Sheriff will implement this. However, after twenty eight years of promises, we need to take he initiative to make all of this concrete ourselves.

Sheriff Adkinson will not be Sheriff forever. The next guy to come in may be another tyrant that mishandles money and brings in unqualified personnel and places them in key positions. Working with Sheriff Adkinson, we can see that this never takes place. Every three years we will put it in stone.

Thats not to say that if something comes up and the contract needs to be changed that it can't. The members and the Sheriff would then come up with an amendment called a memorandum of agreement to make the change.