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[mputnal]

I think it may be like socialism. Works better on paper

Why do some people such as yourself maybe believe that we do not already have socialism concepts in our American society? Many like you think that socialism is a bad bad word...until you get old and need social security and medicare or lose your job or become disabled. It actually works pretty good in real time! Do you think capitalism is without it's on set of problems? It sure looks good on paper but when the pie is divided up you and I will probably need a microscope to see our portion...

 

[mputnal]

You may want to read the book again

Maybe we should all read it again...and skip the old version

 

[mputnal]

Yes they destroyed property. No they did not kill anyone. No Trump did not try to overthrow the election he stated the election was unfair, to overthrow it he would have had to believe he lost (I don't think this is what he thinks). What did he call Pence? I have listen to and read the whole speech

Did anyone die as a result of the insurrection?

Why did Trump believe the election was unfair? Not the republican party. Not Pence. Not one county elections supervisor.

Really you do not know what Trump said about Pence as he was trying his best to overthrow a fair and legitimate election certified by Pence?

If we are going to prevent that civil war scenario it will take people like you and me to say enough is enough with this division between left and right which only exists in minds that are closed down for political construction. If you and I sit down and talked about anything but politics I bet we find that we both are good neighbors...maybe on the right or maybe on the left...of each other's house

 

[Lou Deman]

Why do some people such as yourself maybe believe that we do not already have socialism concepts in our American society? Many like you think that socialism is a bad bad word...until you get old and need social security and medicare or lose your job or become disabled. It actually works pretty good in real time! Do you think capitalism is without it's on set of problems? It sure looks good on paper but when the pie is divided up you and I will probably need a microscope to see our portion...

Mput
You took a couple of steps back on this one
I'll be judge and jury to expedite the process
Who funds social security? employees and their contributions get matched by their employers / self employed people
Who funds medicare? employees and their contributions get matched by their employers / self employed people
If you take the contributions of the people that actually paid for these programs they are getting absolutely hosed based on what they contributed.
What does the government fund? Absolutely nothing, there is no such thing as government funding. Any money the government has can from taking money from our taxpayers. Only 4 out of 10 Americans pay income tax. I love hearing the left talk about people paying their fair share, the problem is they don't know what fair means. In my opinion fair would mean everyone pays the same percentage of each persons income (maybe go with 10% to keep it old school).
Funny how you always here uncle sam talk about social security not being there downstream but they never seem to run out of welfare (I guess if they did the left would lose a lot of votes)
If you want to help the young teach them not to reply on their government for retirement
Saving money is becoming useless as well because they keep watering it down
Go for hard assets and set yourself up young so they bear fruit when you need them to
But then again I'm just a carpenter not a financial advisor

 

[Lou Deman]

If I wanted to really kick the hornets nest I would talk about my beliefs that people who don't own land shouldn't be allowed to vote because they don't have real skin in the game. This should be fun

 

[Lou Deman]

Did anyone die as a result of the insurrection?

Why did Trump believe the election was unfair? Not the republican party. Not Pence. Not one county elections supervisor.

Really you do not know what Trump said about Pence as he was trying his best to overthrow a fair and legitimate election certified by Pence?

If we are going to prevent that civil war scenario it will take people like you and me to say enough is enough with this division between left and right which only exists in minds that are closed down for political construction. If you and I sit down and talked about anything but politics I bet we find that we both are good neighbors...maybe on the right or maybe on the left...of each other's house

1 protestor died as a direct result of the Jan 6th protest, you may be able to argue 1 policeman as well if you stretch

Trump's mind cannot allow him to think he lost

Trump has said a lot of things about Pence, let me know which one you are talking about and I will weigh in if I have an opinion

You and I could sit down and talk about anything but we should talk about politics because that is where the disconnect in our society is. I used to share a wall with an architect in an office over on 393. This guy is a great human being. He is a die hard democrat. I hated his politics but loved his passion and how knowledgeable he was with his views. When we would sit down and talk about life we both wanted the exact same things, our politics is what made the path for getting there different. He wanted everyone to throw in for the greater good where as I am more of a people should take care of themselves. Neither was right neither was wrong but there was always respect. I miss those conversations but I had to move our office out onto 30A to be closer to the traffic. My door is always open and my lunch offer always stands

 

[mputnal]

Mput
You took a couple of steps back on this one
I'll be judge and jury to expedite the process
Who funds social security? employees and their contributions get matched by their employers / self employed people
Who funds medicare? employees and their contributions get matched by their employers / self employed people
If you take the contributions of the people that actually paid for these programs they are getting absolutely hosed based on what they contributed.
What does the government fund? Absolutely nothing, there is no such thing as government funding. Any money the government has can from taking money from our taxpayers. Only 4 out of 10 Americans pay income tax. I love hearing the left talk about people paying their fair share, the problem is they don't know what fair means. In my opinion fair would mean everyone pays the same percentage of each persons income (maybe go with 10% to keep it old school).
Funny how you always here uncle sam talk about social security not being there downstream but they never seem to run out of welfare (I guess if they did the left would lose a lot of votes)
If you want to help the young teach them not to reply on their government for retirement
Saving money is becoming useless as well because they keep watering it down
Go for hard assets and set yourself up young so they bear fruit when you need them to
But then again I'm just a carpenter not a financial advisor

Listen we can talk about Government being too intrusive, too big or anything else you want to talk about but you are not a judge and jury for anyone but yourself. Okay that said yes there are problems in governing a large population. People need motivation AND people need help. The middle class built this country and the rich class benefits way above their contributions. If we take this stupid left and right out of this BS politics and put middle class and working class people in our political system it would be more like our founders envisioned but doubted would happen. Anyway I am not totally against what you are saying until you start the BS with left and right, socialism versus capitalism, conservative versus liberal etc. etc. because we are all human beings with all sorts of opinions and beliefs.

 

[Lou Deman]

Did anyone die as a result of the insurrection?

Why did Trump believe the election was unfair? Not the republican party. Not Pence. Not one county elections supervisor.

Really you do not know what Trump said about Pence as he was trying his best to overthrow a fair and legitimate election certified by Pence?

If we are going to prevent that civil war scenario it will take people like you and me to say enough is enough with this division between left and right which only exists in minds that are closed down for political construction. If you and I sit down and talked about anything but politics I bet we find that we both are good neighbors...maybe on the right or maybe on the left...of each other's house

Let me be very clear I do want a civil war but I fear we are not going to be intelligent enough to get over ourselves. We are at a point where communication has shut down (for the most part), when this happens divorce comes next.

 

[mputnal]

If I wanted to really kick the hornets nest I would talk about my beliefs that people who don't own land shouldn't be allowed to vote because they don't have real skin in the game. This should be fun

I can't wrap my head around why you would believe that. I know Veterans who do not own property because of all sorts of problems with PTSD. I know people with severe medical conditions who do not own property. I know people who work 40 hours a week and do not own property because they make minimum wage. You might should go read that book you were talking about earlier...especially those words in RED...

 

[mputnal]

Let me be very clear I do want a civil war but I fear we are not going to be intelligent enough to get over ourselves. We are at a point where communication has shut down (for the most part), when this happens divorce comes next.

Divorce is always messy. There is a better way hopefully...we ARE intelligent enough. It is those emotions like fear and anger that keeps us apart. That is what a two party political system does to us.