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If you still favor Trump and his kind at this point, it is because you have zero judgement, or simply hate liberal ideals, which include education, liberty and equality. If you only care about yourself then you must try to change, or you will continue to suffer, and so will your fellow countrymen. Strive to be better.
 
Lou Deman said:
At least we can agree on politicians
You keep saying democracy and every single democracy through history ends in what you fear (authoritarian or dictator), thats why I hate the word democracy.
We are definitely too stupid to elect the right people, look how you dumb you thought our guy was and look how dumb we with your guy is
The real question is how are these 2 our choices, its shows a glitch in the system somewhere
I don't know who the best democrat would be to run the country but I have a few favorites on the GOP side
If it weren't for his age Dr Sowell would be my first choice, Ben Carson is up there, I like Ben Shapiro's knowledge but he might have too much edge, I would love to see Tulsi Gabbard run for our side, I like Vivek Ramaswamy but he needs more time first, I love Candace Owens but she is too polarizing. I like Desantis but he is cracking under the weight that doesn't really exist, in my opinion he should sit this one out but I think he's the only one that can knock Trump out and there becomes a lesser of 2 evils thing going on.
Just my opinion
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We will always have politicians. We the people are the checks and balances on politicians. That all goes away when we no longer can vote or the vote is manipulated enough to change the will of the people. When politicians lie we need to remove them from office. When politicians become so filled with hatred then they need to be removed from office. When politicians abuse power we need to remove them from office. Trump was removed from office because of democracy. Trump lied and still lies so our job as Americans of course is to keep him from power. Trump abuses power so our job as Americans is to keep him from power. You hate many things like people for example. You hate the word democracy only because of ignorance and the extremism coming from the conservative party. We do need more choices. We do need to educate our children. We need to protect our children. That is America's future!!! That should be our common ground but it is not only because your ignorance of what a representative democracy is. We have something special in America and you are choosing to throw it all away on a leader like trump or desantis. Why? Because you hate and you fear people...
 
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James Bentwood said:
If you still favor Trump and his kind at this point, it is because you have zero judgement, or simply hate liberal ideals, which include education, liberty and equality. If you only care about yourself then you must try to change, or you will continue to suffer, and so will your fellow countrymen. Strive to be better.
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James good meeting you and thanks for the judgement, personally I try to get to know someone beforehand but thats just me. I do not hate any person I have a heavy distain for weak men because I feel it is mens duty to provide and protect those that they care about. So based on your comment I have no judgement. Its not that I don't car about others as much as I just want to leave everyone alone and I want to be left alone. Saying liberals have the inside track on education, liberty, and equality is laughable but you are entitled to your opinion. As far as suffering what do you mean?
 
mputnal said:
We we always have politicians. We the people are the checks and balances on politicians. That all goes away when we no longer can vote or the vote is manipulated enough to change the will of the people. When politicians lie we need to remove them from office. When politicians become so filled with hatred then they need to be removed from office. When politicians abuse power we need to remove them from office. Trump was removed from office because of democracy. Trump lied and still lies so our job as Americans of course is to keep him from power. Trump abuses power so our job as Americans is to keep him from power. You hate many things like people for example. You hate the word democracy only because of ignorance and the extremism coming from the conservative party. We do need more choices. We do need to educate our children. We need to protect our children. That is America's future!!! That should be our common ground but it is not only because your ignorance of what a representative democracy is. We have something special in America and you are choosing to throw it all away on a leader like trump or desantis. Why? Because you hate and you fear people...
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What kind of grade would you give 'we the people' on checking and balancing our polotiicans? Once in they learn how to milk the system, ever looked up mst of their attendence to the profession they vote to give themselves raises on? How is it that so many go in with an average net worth and leave with an insanely high net worth?
You cannot post a single comment without bringing up Trump. You act like Trump has been there for 50 years, you may want to talk to someone about this infatuation.

Lets go another way on trying to get you to stop using the word democracy. What does democracy mean? Are you sure this is the system you want to get behind? I doubt you'll answer because you have been brainwashed with the term, once you look into it we will see who is ignorant. My knowing the meaning of the word has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with history and mans manipulation of power.

You ,ay also want to look up the word fear
 
mputnal said:
What solution? I have a few friends and family just like you. Every conversation ends up in fight of who is right. My ideals of common ground and civil behavior is sadly just a fantasy. Your group is too far gone. If I can't connect to people that are my own blood and friends that use to have each others back then there is little hope. Once you go down the path of "will fight to the end for my principles" there is just no return to any desire to find common ground. Maybe two years ago I had the time and energy to try and convince you that life is too short to live and die for foolish principles but I have seen and heard just about enough of the BS. I have argued with Poppaj about this very thing. He was right. I was wrong. It is a very unfortunate reality for America. We are divided and there is NO solution! We will fight and our quality of life will deteriorate for all of us...
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Then why keep commenting about finding common ground if you don't believe in it?
We are closing in on a very real crossroads in our country

The reason I would like to have lunch or meat you is because that way when we comment on here it doesn't just regress into us just being gay and calling each others names. For the record when I say gay it has nothing to do with anyones sexual preference, I want everyone to be happy.

If 2 old men like you and I can't find common ground there is no hope for America as it was intended.

Do you really think we disagree on much at all? Or do you think we see issues from different angles? At our core I think everyone in this world wants the same stuff, for example

Do you love your kids?
Do you love our country?
Do you hate anyone?
Do you want to be healthy?
Do you want our populace educated?

At our core we are the same but the government that you want to be bigger and the government I want to be torn down and reset to its original intention is the issue

Why are we so divided? Because people won't sit down and talk, I have extended the olive branch. Your lunch with someone you don't agree with doesn't have to be with me but it needs to be with somebody

Just my opinion
 
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mputnal said:
What solution? I have a few friends and family just like you. Every conversation ends up in fight of who is right. My ideals of common ground and civil behavior is sadly just a fantasy. Your group is too far gone. If I can't connect to people that are my own blood and friends that use to have each others back then there is little hope. Once you go down the path of "will fight to the end for my principles" there is just no return to any desire to find common ground. Maybe two years ago I had the time and energy to try and convince you that life is too short to live and die for foolish principles but I have seen and heard just about enough of the BS. I have argued with Poppaj about this very thing. He was right. I was wrong. It is a very unfortunate reality for America. We are divided and there is NO solution! We will fight and our quality of life will deteriorate for all of us...
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I remember in the past you really defended them and were seemingly on the fence. You've moved away from them. I'm just curious if they have slid down the steep slope toward unreasonable thinking and behavior or is it you who has changed? Maybe both? Perhaps you are using your reasoning and observations skills to see that the GOP is a big problem for American democracy?
 
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