Wildlife lighting ordinance hearing Dec. 9

[Matt J]

SanDestin will most likely not be affected. Similar to certain areas of PCB (Spinnaker's and LaVela) if the overall noise level is loud enough the lights are not a problem as turtles will avoid the noise first and foremost.

 

[NotDeadYet]

The west end, including Sandestin, has nests every year.

 

[John R]

Does this mean that SanDestin and others cannot use their huge lights to illuminate the beach for safety purposes? Who is liable when the first tourist gets assaulted in the dark?

how did humans ever navigate a beach at night before lights? possibly if there are no lights, someone's assumption of the risk is increased...

 

[wrobert]

how did humans ever navigate a beach at night before lights? possibly if there are no lights, someone's assumption of the risk is increased...

Why have we not used the assumption of risk argument when it comes to lifeguards? What about the hundreds of thousands we have spent so tourists can cross the street at night?

Either we are going to treat the tourists as children or we are not. I do not see how we can have it both ways.

 

[30A Skunkape]

Why have we not used the assumption of risk argument when it comes to lifeguards? What about the hundreds of thousands we have spent so tourists can cross the street at night?

Either we are going to treat the tourists as children or we are not. I do not see how we can have it both ways.

I think the slip and fall lawyers are the ones who are acting like children and have intimidated us to the point where common sense can't prevail.

 

[John R]

Why have we not used the assumption of risk argument when it comes to lifeguards? What about the hundreds of thousands we have spent so tourists can cross the street at night?

Either we are going to treat the tourists as children or we are not. I do not see how we can have it both ways.

by your reasoning, should we get rid of traffic lights also?

I believe lights at crosswalks are a pretty standard safety tool used throughout the country. Lights on a beach seem like an amenity and really not a requirement. Most beaches I've been on at night are pretty nice on their own merit, with out lighting.

did i read your statement the wrong way?

re lifeguards. either we should have them on all our publicly accessed beaches, or get rid of the program.

 

[Matt J]

Why have we not used the assumption of risk argument when it comes to lifeguards? What about the hundreds of thousands we have spent so tourists can cross the street at night?

Either we are going to treat the tourists as children or we are not. I do not see how we can have it both ways.

Perhaps you can explain the detrimental environmental effects of lifeguards or crosswalks?

 

[idlewind]

Perhaps you can explain to a father and mother why their daughter was raped on a beach we advertise as "safe." There is no way to have a safe beach for humans at night without light. Read any risk prevention pamplet you wish ( my insurance company sends them out by the millions) and it will advise you to make sure your property is well lit in order to prevent you becoming a crime victim.

 

[John R]

perhaps you advocate the entire beach being lit? do we advertise our beaches being safe at night?

 

[idlewind]

I don't advocate any lighting on the beach, I also do not advocate banning lighting on the beach. The landowner should be able to make that decision. Since the white sandy parts should be public, then there should be no lighting there. But if the upland owner wants to make his pool area look like Times Square, that is his business.