The real reason Obamacare has Failed us all?

[sunspotbaby]

It's my understanding that child health care available by the "government" or individual States is based on income, and it's usually close to the poverty line.
These catastrophic plans you speak of, who determines what is catastrophic? Is it an automobile accident, cancer? What about chronic disease? My sister has had to be rushed to the hospital several times in the past year and a half, has seen numerous specialists, and none of them, until recently, was able to diagnose her with a rare, but manageable disease; one that she was able to punch in all her symptoms into Web MD and figured out herself. Yes, it is rare, but give me a break. Had the physicians had looked at ALL her charts, they would have easily figured it out, but rush them in and rush them out seems to be the mantra these days.

I'm guessing a catastrophic plan would have been catastrophic for her financially after doling out $300 a visit, ambulatory services, blood work, emergency room and hospital stays after the "plan" determined that nothing was really wrong with her prior to be diagnosed.

When my Dad had his accident, he was in and out of the hospital numerous times, once for neck surgery. One of the last times he was there, they didn't even know he had a surgical wound on the back of his neck until almost a week later. He had the surgery AT THAT HOSPITAL! Guess what, he tested positive for MRSA at the wound site and ended up staying another week for that. He wasn't able to swallow liquids and damn near choked at home. The hospital, after two ER visits and being sent home, finally admitted him for "observation". He died that evening, because he wasn't being observed...He choked to death. I totally blame the hospital.

 

[Here4Good]

When my Dad had his accident, he was in and out of the hospital numerous times, once for neck surgery. One of the last times he was there, they didn't even know he had a surgical wound on the back of his neck until almost a week later. He had the surgery AT THAT HOSPITAL! Guess what, he tested positive for MRSA at the wound site and ended up staying another week for that. He wasn't able to swallow liquids and damn near choked at home. The hospital, after two ER visits and being sent home, finally admitted him for "observation". He died that evening, because he wasn't being observed...He choked to death. I totally blame the hospital.

MRSA....the gift that keeps on giving. Every single person I know who has been hospitalized in Louisiana has had it.

I am very, very sorry about your father.

 

[Miss Kitty]

I seem to be missing how some reform for those of Us (including me) who really can't afford really good, comprisensive health insurance coverage is going to ruin the healthcare system for everyone else.
I would like an option to get on a gov't program. Aren't about 1/4 of all insured americans already on a gov't plan? Medicare, the system for the armed forces, and the system for all members of federal gov't, congressmen and all of that. Lots and lots of people in America have a gov't backed plan.

What burns me up the most, is a bunch of guys who do not have to worry about hospital bills AT ALL are telling me I don't want a gov't plan.
Well, I WANT A GOV'T PLAN. I WANT TO BE JUST LIKE CANADA, FRANCE, AND ENGLAND.
I want to go to the hospital and come out without a bill.
I want all you people who make more than me to have to pay for my health care, and I want you to give me the very best in the world. I DO NOT CARE HOW MUCH IT COSTS YOU!!!!!!!!

Gosh gee...I want that , too! :roll:

Well, there you go.

What percentage of the populace do you estimate your cited example represents, and do you think a solution exists that will make everyone happy?

I would define catastrophic as a condition that results in hospitalization. The diagnosis of cancer? A catastrophe, and perhaps for those unfortunate enough to be diagnosed with cancer, there could be a specific coverage offered by the government.

We can go back and forth, tit-for-tat all day long about this stuff. The bottom line is that there will always be people who are not satisfied, but catering to a vocal minority that derails common sense reform for the majority makes no sense.

Tort reform.

 

[30A Skunkape]

MRSA....the gift that keeps on giving. Every single person I know who has been hospitalized in Louisiana has had it.

I am very, very sorry about your father.

You probably have it, too. That isn't an insult, simply a reality as MRSA is now common skin flora.

 

[Here4Good]

You probably have it, too. That isn't an insult, simply a reality as MRSA is now common skin flora.

Yes, I know. And, I guess, so do you.

I and my parents were all in and out of Sacred Heart with open wounds and never got it. I don't think that's luck, I think that's proper procedure, when you go three-for-three.

Of the three people I know who have been hospitialized for surgery in Louisiana, all three have gotten it. Again, I don't think that's luck, I think that's sloppy procedure.

 

[30A Skunkape]

Yes, I know. And, I guess, so do you.

I and my parents were all in and out of Sacred Heart with open wounds and never got it. I don't think that's luck, I think that's proper procedure, when you go three-for-three.

Of the three people I know who have been hospitialized for surgery in Louisiana, all three have gotten it. Again, I don't think that's luck, I think that's sloppy procedure.

Oh, I know I have it. Drained two big abscesses yesterday

By 'gotten it', what do you mean? Skin infection, line infection?

 

[Here4Good]

Oh, I know I have it. Drained two big abscesses yesterday

By 'gotten it', what do you mean? Skin infection, line infection?

I mean that the wound (surgical incision, or wound being treated by the hospital) has become infected badly enough to require rehospitalization, and in two cases a second surgery to clean the wound.

 

[aggieb]

Oh, I know I have it. Drained two big abscesses yesterday

By 'gotten it', what do you mean? Skin infection, line infection?

i know/hope this is tongue in cheek, but i think i just lost my lunch appetite.:sick:

 

[Here4Good]

Oh, I know I have it. Drained two big abscesses yesterday

And can I just say, better you than me....:leaving:

 

[Mango]

Well, there you go.

What percentage of the populace do you estimate your cited example represents, and do you think a solution exists that will make everyone happy?

I would define catastrophic as a condition that results in hospitalization. The diagnosis of cancer? A catastrophe, and perhaps for those unfortunate enough to be diagnosed with cancer, there could be a specific coverage offered by the government.

We can go back and forth, tit-for-tat all day long about this stuff. The bottom line is that there will always be people who are not satisfied, but catering to a vocal minority that derails common sense reform for the majority makes no sense.

Probably a higher percentage of the population than you and I could hypothesize because we both know medicine and diagnosis is not always so cut and dry. Symptoms overlap for different diseases and what is and isn't attributed to "it's all in the head syndrome".

As far as a solution, I have not seen one specific plan yet that sounds ideal, which is why the quandary. However, I do know that I find it ludicrous that we pay more for prescription drugs than other Countries, that premiums on health care have risen 15- 25% every year with no added benefits, that the US has more malpractice suits per capita than any other industrialized nation and this is all affecting the majority, not the minority.

SSB, it saddens me to hear this about your father.