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Catholic Church Denies Kennedy the Right to Take Communion..

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Your friend is taking things too literally. Catholics don't believe bread and wine physically transform. They are breaking bread and toasting their hero's memory.

actually, Catholics believe that Communion is literally the body of Christ, transformed from bread by the priest presiding over the service. as you know, this is what we are taught since first holy communion. The Eucharist is a holy sacrament administered by the church to members who have carefully prepared themselves through sacraments of baptism and confession, and also education. For Catholics, communion isn't just a symbol. It is a holy sacrament taken very seriously, and this is the reason communion isn't offered to visitors/guests. I totally understand and respect this about the Church. Communion is not inclusive or exclusive. It is the foundation of the Church and its members share common beliefs about the sacrament/miracle of the Eucharist, and its importance in their lives. It is a defining element of Catholicism.

I also understand that visitors/guests may not understand the reasons they are not invited to receive communion - and they may feel excluded, even though the mass includes a general statement about all being welcome, but only Catholics who are prepared are invited to receive the Eucharist

it is made even more confusing because many Priests I have known are relaxed about administering communion, and have no problem with administering communion to a visitor/guest.

many Catholics I know would never receive communion themselves unless they have recently received the sacrament of confession. we are taught that we need to receive the eucharist only after we have wiped our sins away with confession. This part is going to far for me, since I never ever go to confession (it used to scare the hail out of me when I was little). But, a certain family priest says this is okay for various reasons.

So, we all kind of pick and choose what works for us. which is what you are doing in your analogies Geo. and you are right. whatever you believe in your heart is right, imo.
 
Your friend is taking things too literally. Catholics don't believe bread and wine physically transform. They are breaking bread and toasting their hero's memory.

I could be right about this.
 
actually, Catholics believe that Communion is literally the body of Christ, transformed from bread by the priest presiding over the service. as you know, this is what we are taught since first holy communion. The Eucharist is a holy sacrament administered by the church to members who have carefully prepared themselves through sacraments of baptism and confession, and also education. For Catholics, communion isn't just a symbol. It is a holy sacrament taken very seriously, and this is the reason communion isn't offered to visitors/guests. I totally understand and respect this about the Church. Communion is not inclusive or exclusive. It is the foundation of the Church and its members share common beliefs about the sacrament/miracle of the Eucharist, and its importance in their lives. It is a defining element of Catholicism.

I also understand that visitors/guests may not understand the reasons they are not invited to receive communion - and they may feel excluded, even though the mass includes a general statement about all being welcome, but only Catholics who are prepared are invited to receive the Eucharist

it is made even more confusing because many Priests I have known are relaxed about administering communion, and have no problem with administering communion to a visitor/guest.

many Catholics I know would never receive communion themselves unless they have recently received the sacrament of confession. we are taught that we need to receive the eucharist only after we have wiped our sins away with confession. This part is going to far for me, since I never ever go to confession (it used to scare the hail out of me when I was little). But, a certain family priest says this is okay for various reasons.

So, we all kind of pick and choose what works for us. which is what you are doing in your analogies Geo. and you are right. whatever you believe in your heart is right, imo.
a la carte religion ... if only cable tv billing were the same
 
actually, Catholics believe that Communion is literally the body of Christ, transformed from bread by the priest presiding over the service. as you know, this is what we are taught since first holy communion.

Okay. True. This is what we were taught. The message never waivered throughout my 12 years of catholic schooling. But I believe that when pressed, most catholics would acknowledge the element of symbolism. Save for my grandmother, they wouldn't insist that their priest just performed a magic trick during the consecration and literally turned wafers and wine into 2010 year old human tissue and bodily fluids.

For Catholics, communion isn't just a symbol. It is a holy sacrament taken very seriously, and this is the reason communion isn't offered to visitors/guests.

Agreed. It is more than a trivial symbol. It means something very special to them.



So, we all kind of pick and choose what works for us. which is what you are doing in your analogies Geo. and you are right. whatever you believe in your heart is right, imo.

Nicely said...
 
Some people aren't into ritual, period, so imagine how they feel when it's thrust upon them.

LS, what is and isn't ritual? We hold the door open for others, say thanks/you're welcome/I'm sorry, offer "blassings" when others sneeze, we walk the dog every morning on the beach and have a glass of wine at sunset...

The LS I (believe that I) know probably wasn't traumatized (even at 12) by the communion experience. He was probably confused by what he felt was grown ups acting absurd and he might have even been mildly amused.

Fess up. You're not scarred by this, are ya???
 
Your friend is taking things too literally. Catholics don't believe bread and wine physically transform. They are breaking bread and toasting their hero's memory.

From what I understand at least in Florida, even extreme alcoholics in disciplinary treatment programs are permitted to partake of the sacrament since since wine is transformed into somethings else.
 
From what I understand at least in Florida, even extreme alcoholics in disciplinary treatment programs are permitted to partake of the sacrament since since wine is transformed into somethings else.

Wow
 
From what I understand at least in Florida, even extreme alcoholics in disciplinary treatment programs are permitted to partake of the sacrament since since wine is transformed into somethings else.

Really? A lot of places have a tray of "grape juice alternates" for people who have issues with alcohol.
 
Really? A lot of places have a tray of "grape juice alternates" for people who have issues with alcohol.

True, but I heard from a very reliable source that if such a person under treatment truly wants to partake in the wine, it's one time the state will back off. They simply don't want to touch that one with a ten foot pole.
 
LS, what is and isn't ritual? We hold the door open for others, say thanks/you're welcome/I'm sorry, offer "blassings" when others sneeze, we walk the dog every morning on the beach and have a glass of wine at sunset...

Some of those I consider to be more ettiquette than ritual. Others are enjoyable daily routines. I'm think ing more along the lines of something like funerals. In my family, we don't do 'em.

The LS I (believe that I) know probably wasn't traumatized (even at 12) by the communion experience. He was probably confused by what he felt was grown ups acting absurd and he might have even been mildly amused.
Fess up. You're not scarred by this, are ya???

You're correct in your assessment, however I must say that at an earlier age I did feel traumatized when learning about Christ's method of execution. At that point I started to disbelieve. Had I been offered communion during those earlier years, I'm sure beyond doubt the confusion would have given me nightmares.
 
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