Jesus Would Have Been in Favor of Healthcare Reform.

[Jesus]

Hey Ya'll, a few things:

One- I'm not a socialist and whether you support him or not, neither is Barack Obama.

Two- What's all this "if Jesus was around he'd be for or against this" talk?
I'm here and if you want to know how I stood on issues back in the day or what I think about stuff now- why not just ask?

Peace.

 

[Em]

Tootsie, I guess our impressions of Jesus' love and peace for all depends on which of the Gospels you believe the most. They vary just enough to show some disagreement with love and peace for all. I think it is in Luke where Jesus supposedly caused havoc as he entered the once-sacred house of worship. I believe there is also reference in one of the Gospels where Jesus readies his disciples at the Last Supper to sell everything they have in order to acquire swords for the approaching battle. Jesus was also very critical of the hypocrites running the churches and the government. Jesus is reported as saying "... give unto Caesar...," but that was because the Pharisees were trying to have him legally killed by catching him off-guard with their public questioning of whether or not people should pay their taxes. He knew the tax collectors were shysters, just as we all know that many of our politicians are shysters.

Back to the original post, just how is social security working for you? I'm not expecting to see one penny of what I have paid in over time, as the gov't has sucked it dry.

 

[30ashopper]

IIRC the only true way for the government to create jobs is to increase spending and programs, which ultimately increases taxes. You can argue tax cuts for small business until you're blue in the face, but cutting a small business's taxes by $5,000 a year doesn't create a job.

The only way government can have a positive impact on employment, outside of direct hiring, is by putting more money in the pockets of consumers, or building infrastructure that facilitates commerce. Big government programs have very little effect, and in fact, can have a net negative as the cost must be siphoned off the private sector in order to pay for them.

 

[Teresa]

Tootsie, I guess our impressions of Jesus' love and peace for all depends on which of the Gospels you believe the most. They vary just enough to show some disagreement with love and peace for all. I think it is in Luke where Jesus supposedly caused havoc as he entered the once-sacred house of worship. I believe there is also reference in one of the Gospels where Jesus readies his disciples at the Last Supper to sell everything they have in order to acquire swords for the approaching battle.

I know. I refuse to go that far into using biblical stories to support any argument in real life. but its an interesting argument nonetheless.

my feeling of Jesus is just this: love your neighbor. give to your neighbor. help your neighbor. any person in need is worthy of your help - that person is Jesus.

 

[Matt J]

The only way government can have a positive impact on employment, outside of direct hiring, is by putting more money in the pockets of consumers, or building infrastructure that facilitates commerce. Big government programs have very little effect, and in fact, can have a net negative as the cost must be siphoned off the private sector in order to pay for them.

So you're for stimulus money?

 

[30ashopper]

So you're for stimulus money?

During economic downturns, I have no problems with the federal government helping out states to keep layoffs to a minimum, cutting taxes temporarily to put more money in people's pockets, or even short term boosts in spending on "shovel ready" infrastructure.

The porkulus had some good in it, about 200 million was in tax cuts for example (you can thank the reps for that, dems didn't want it), and about 150 million was spent on shovel ready projects. We also had the Bush refund checks to the tune of about 250 million a year and a half ago. All fairly good ways to help keep the bad from becoming worse.

Generally though, most of the porkulus was made up of wasted make-work and special interests. It also had a lot of sleezy underhanded "reforms" in it no one noticed, like undoing key components of Clinton's Welfare reform. As far as the spending part goes, it wasn't a very efficient bill, which is unfortunate considering how much it'll end up costing us once we total up the base plus interest. "Never waste a good crisis"...

 

[florida girl]

The first problem I see with this statement is "if Jesus were here". The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us, therefore He is here. He's the Word. If you want to know what He thinks, then read His book. Secondly, Jesus will not support the taking of the life of the unborn, nor placing on individuals burdens that are too heavy to bear, ie the cost of this proposed plan. As I understand, the bottom price per family will be about $12,000 per year. The Word says "The truth will set you free", however, sometimes the truth is not what you want to hear.

 

[GoodWitch58]

Great to see the Nuns speaking up for health care... http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/20/health/policy/20abortion.html?src=me&ref=health

Sister Simone, who described herself as anti-abortion, said she did not believe that the Senate version of the bill would make abortion more widely available. She did not directly criticize the bishops, but said “some people could be motivated by a political loyalty that’s outside of caring for the people who live at the margins of health care in society.”

Will be interesting to see if a consequence of this whole debate is some dramatic change in the workings of the Catholic Church.

Op-Ed Columnist - Eraser Duty for Bart? - NYTimes.com

We might have to bang Bart’s head into a blackboard a few times before he realizes that in a moral tug-of-war between the sisters and the bishops, you have to go with the gals.

 

[Geo]

Signs of JC being among us now aren't found in any book, IMHO. Instead just look for christ like acts of good and ordinary people among us.

 

[AlphaCrab]

I like how the Catholic nuns (women) recently came out in support of the new Healthcare legislation in direct defiance of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops (male dominated).

If you deal directly in the day to day needs of the sick, poor, and dying as many of these nuns do (many of whom are are also health professionals) your mindset changes on the subject.