Concealed weapon permits in Walton County

[30A Skunkape]

the context is as the crops changed with the latitude... from wheat and corn, to tobacco, to cotton, to rice...the further down the Mississippi, the more of a hellish nightmare it became to being a black person and the plantation system that sowed the seeds of today's problems. NOLA was "the end of the line". you can always move on if your ancestors were party to this system of subjugation. if you were on the receiving end...you never forget, you think you can't let go because of the perceived wrong.... see Serbia,Chechniya, northern Ireland. do you think the black poverty started in a vacuum? the incubator was Dixie.

Of course black poverty didn't start in a vacuum. Neither did white, yellow or red poverty. What amount of American black poverty do you attribute to africans selling fellow africans into slavery? Frankly I'm not sure entirely how much my caucasian ancestors contributed to black poverty. The one quarter of my family that I know was here during that time was in Pennsylvania and my great-great what have you grandfather fought for the Union. Another quarter may have been, we think they were Acadians run out of Canada by the English, but back before Justin Wilson it was a dreadfully shameful heritage to be of Acadian origin (aka Cajun), so many of them simply identified themselves as 'French' and had scant documentation as to their origin. So I don't fully get why your rather concise version of history holds much matter in the grand scheme of things. I do know this-people who endlessly ruminate about things they can't control or change tend to be miserable. Move on my friend and help your fellow man in more productive ways than pointing out the shortcomings of rednecks who like to buy all of Wal-Mart's ammo.

 

[Leader of the Banned]

Of course black poverty didn't start in a vacuum. Neither did white, yellow or red poverty. What amount of American black poverty do you attribute to africans selling fellow africans into slavery? Frankly I'm not sure entirely how much my caucasian ancestors contributed to black poverty. The one quarter of my family that I know was here during that time was in Pennsylvania and my great-great what have you grandfather fought for the Union. Another quarter may have been, we think they were Acadians run out of Canada by the English, but back before Justin Wilson it was a dreadfully shameful heritage to be of Acadian origin (aka Cajun), so many of them simply identified themselves as 'French' and had scant documentation as to their origin. So I don't fully get why your rather concise version of history holds much matter in the grand scheme of things. I do know this-people who endlessly ruminate about things they can't control or change tend to be miserable. Move on my friend and help your fellow man in more productive ways than pointing out the shortcomings of rednecks who like to buy all of Wal-Mart's ammo.

The part about endless ruminators being miserable, makes me think of presidential derangement syndrome. It's always been around to some degree, but I think it's stronger now than it's ever been. Never before have I seen it give birth to so many conspiracy theories regarding the possibility of radical changes in our "American way of life". I do think this is in fact fueling the desire of some to be armed to the teeth, even though it's not necessary in most cases, from a personal protection standpoint.

It seems clear that the fantasy of "taking back America" (whatever that really means) by force if necessary, exists in the minds of a lot of these Glenn Beck/Alex Jones disciples. Just because it's entertaining, doesn't mean it's not frightening or disturbing. I have some control over this. I can talk about it. I know of people who are spoon fed this propaganda daily by their closest associates. I can at least explain to them that the Becks, the Hannitys, the Bachmanns, the Gingriches, etc. have got it all wrong. The reason we don't have a Republican president right now (thank goodness) is because as a nation we all banded together and talked about it.

This may seem obvious to a lot of us, but there are a lot of fairly smart people who know nothing else. They believe the endless stream of lies coming from the right wing/Fox news machine. We hadn't really seen this kind of nonsense on this thread until a couple of posts back, but I suspect it's been festering. I do think this is the crux of the matter. The number of hate groups around the country has escalated over the past four years, with most of them being in the state of Florida. If thinking to much is a crime, then Bob is guilty of multiple offenses.

 

[Teresa]

It is not the guns which are the problem, it is our violent society, as Teresa so vividly and distinctly points out. When we learn to act like civilzed human beings, as do most European countries do as a whole, we will be well on our way to solving many of our very obvious problems. Skunkape pretty well nailed it. Why am I not surprised.

How do European countries handle violence and guns? I've heard that gun control is very strict but I don't know.

Actually, the culture of violence in America runs deep and is very complex. Not black and white in any way. Everyone has a point here, imo. I appreciate all the views. Would like to find some good documentaries on this subject instead of sensationalized tv news (which I avoid completely).

 

[Leader of the Banned]

Canada is supposed to have lots of guns but relatively low violence. Bowling for Columbine is a good documentary. It suggests that the media fuels our paranoia and puts people in a very defensive posture. I think one thing that makes our country distinct among civilized nations is that we are not a skeptical lot by nature. We tend to believe anything. We are prone to taking up with conspiracy theories. We forward bad chain emails. Other societies such as those in europe and Canada are more secular and evidence based. I'll throw Japan into the mix too. But yeah, a lot of people hear something on the news, and they believe it. Alex jones is blaming the government for the tornadoes in OK city. It should be no surprise that some people think we are becoming a socialist, nazi, muslim kenyan regime, and the only way to counteract that is to take up arms to fight off Sharia law.

 

[Bob]

Of course black poverty didn't start in a vacuum. Neither did white, yellow or red poverty. What amount of American black poverty do you attribute to africans selling fellow africans into slavery? Frankly I'm not sure entirely how much my caucasian ancestors contributed to black poverty. The one quarter of my family that I know was here during that time was in Pennsylvania and my great-great what have you grandfather fought for the Union. Another quarter may have been, we think they were Acadians run out of Canada by the English, but back before Justin Wilson it was a dreadfully shameful heritage to be of Acadian origin (aka Cajun), so many of them simply identified themselves as 'French' and had scant documentation as to their origin. So I don't fully get why your rather concise version of history holds much matter in the grand scheme of things. I do know this-people who endlessly ruminate about things they can't control or change tend to be miserable. Move on my friend and help your fellow man in more productive ways than pointing out the shortcomings of rednecks who like to buy all of Wal-Mart's ammo.

with no buyer, there's no seller regarding slavery. how many Cajuns worked as slaves on plantations? if you don't see any of the history, the beautiful thing is that you can be completely safe and comfortable in your worldview knowing the feds or the frogman aren't coming to get you, unless of course you are a paranoid redneck creeping around the ammo counter.

 

[30A Skunkape]

with no buyer, there's no seller regarding slavery. how many Cajuns worked as slaves on plantations? if you don't see any of the history, the beautiful thing is that you can be completely safe and comfortable in your worldview knowing the feds or the frogman aren't coming to get you, unless of course you are a paranoid redneck creeping around the ammo counter.

Given that our lack of time travel hinders our ability to change history, maybe we could come to an agreement on what we might do to finally rectify the situation. You can't fix a problem if you don't know what is causing it, so I must ask you, who or what is the biggest threat to contemporary American blacks? Simon Legree, dead and buried for 150 years, modern day poverty pimps occupying government offices or rednecks in trailer parks buying ammo?

 

[chip hagler]

Hey, I'm kinda new to this forum, but I'm going to quote someone that seems to represent our current administration (not mine), "What difference does it make"? Folks, your choice, arm yourself or not. And remember this weekend for those who gave the ultimate sacrifice so we may have the freedom to choose.

 

[Bob]

Given that our lack of time travel hinders our ability to change history, maybe we could come to an agreement on what we might do to finally rectify the situation. You can't fix a problem if you don't know what is causing it, so I must ask you, who or what is the biggest threat to contemporary American blacks? Simon Legree, dead and buried for 150 years, modern day poverty pimps occupying government offices or rednecks in trailer parks buying ammo?

well the positioning of your choices reveals your answer, but I would say the answer would involve a slight tweaking of the question....you can't fix a problem if you don't know what caused it. rednecks buying ammo is just fear and guilt from the violence perpetrated on black people throughout most of American history. most southern white males are subliminally scared fecal-less that a black guy is in the white house. the poverty issue is multi faceted, but suffice it to say enslaving a race of people, denying them basic human rights, education, or the ability to improve their lot in life set the table for today, and the dependence mindset of so many of the poor. "get over it" is something a white guy would say. "here's how to get over" it is a better approach. this country has racked up a huge tab in this area, and giving debit cards to everyone does not incentivize life changing behaviors. change will be long, painful, and slow. the civil rights bill was signed in our lifetime, but the social dynamic of equating blacks to second class status lasted several hundred years.. make me emperor and the first thing i would do is purge the inner cities of guns[stop and frisk] and repeat offenders. i would pour money into education on an unprecedented scale by stopping the urge to fix the world's political problems with our corrupt military industrial complex. welfare would be a last resort, not a way of life. family cohesiveness in the poor would be creatively rewarded. students would be channeled to an education that fit their aptitude as is done in Europe abandoning one size fits all college prep theory here. government could engage corporate america by drastically reducing corporate tax, and coming to a conclusion that offshoring both entities and factories is counterproductive to our country. government could also incentivize business to provide training for technical skillsets needed in the workforce. that's just a beginning. in the absence of term limits, lobbyist power and pac money, i don't see anything on the horizon that would change the status quo. the only thing this country jumps up for is war, hitting the quarterly numbers for the stockholders, and coddling wall street. we get the society we deserve.

 

[Andy A]

You know, Bob, except for your diatribe on what caused the present condition of many blacks in today's society, your post makes absolute sense. Congratulations on your solutions to the problems you so aptly described. Everyone of them is exactly what needs to transpire to make this a better nation.

 

[BeachRob]

From where I stand, it's not the gun enthusiasts fault the ammo is gone. Do a survey... People who have guns are frustrated by the lack of supply of ammunition. They have nothing to shoot. They aren't the ones getting the ammo.

You think the collective whole of mostly low-wage-earning, rural gun owners is hoarding ammo? Sure, some individuals make great examples of this. On the whole, that's just a stereotype. Civilian gun owners would have to band together and try very hard to overwhelm worldwide ammunition production capacity.

The federal government has ordered a very large amount of ammunition; and it has given its agencies and local municipalities funding with orders to spend it on several year's supplies of ammunition. This is a lot bigger than Jim Bob going to Bass Pro Shops. This is the implementation of a political policy through federal appropriations.