AZ sheriff blames political rhetoric

[Rita]

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who is talking about legislating anything? I am talking about demanding our elected officials and our news media act with some maturity about their choice of words...and to realize that the words of those who are seen as "in power" do have consequences...it is up to the American public IMO to say enough is enough and demand-- through w/drawing advertising and voting differently and writing, calling elected officials, that the violent language stop.

And, besides, what is the benefit of such language? Just on the off chance that it might be correlated someway, Is one word of it worth the life of that nine year old, the judge, the other innocent ones? And, now that I've read the other posts before this one, if this tragedy causes our country to look at the kind of language we are using in our political and media arenas, and then, causes even one of the participants to change his or her behavior, then, I think it is a good thing to get from the tragedy...just because we have the freedom to say or do something in this country, does not mean we should do it just because we can.

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This is my how I feel also.

It isn?t about banning or legislating.

It?s about all of us being willing to speak out against inflamatory rhetoric, vitriol, and the like if we do not like it - and expecting the same from our representatives, news media, pundits, etc. It doesn?t mean they have to do it, just that maybe they won?t if there is no benefit or if there are negative repercussions. If incivility, vitriol and the like doesn?t work then there is a better chance that it will be used less. I would think incendiary remarks would have the greatest effect on unstable people who are less likely to process in the way intended.


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[30ashopper]

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This is my how I feel also.

It isn?t about banning or legislating.

It?s about all of us being willing to speak out against inflamatory rhetoric, vitriol, and the like if we do not like it - and expecting the same from our representatives, news media, pundits, etc. It doesn?t mean they have to do it, just that maybe they won?t if there is no benefit or if there are negative repercussions. If incivility, vitriol and the like doesn?t work then there is a better chance that it will be used less. I would think incendiary remarks would have the greatest effect on unstable people who are less likely to process in the way intended.
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A lot of outside influences can have an effect, television, movies, video games, economic struggle, getting kicked out of a community college... road signs, funny smells! I for one am not going walk around on egg shells because I'm worried some psychopath will take issue with what I say or how I dress and try and put a bullet in my head.

The real tragedy here is not that the Keith Olberman's of the world incite political activism and discourse, it's that in our society a kid like this who displays numerous signs of instability while interacting with numerous people (including I might point out, the good sheriff and his department) didn't get routed to the proper people for care and treatment.

 

[Rita]

A lot of outside influences can have an effect, television, movies, video games, economic struggle, getting kicked out of a community college... road signs, funny smells! I for one am not going walk around on egg shells because I'm worried some psychopath will take issue with what I say or how I dress and try and put a bullet in my head.

The real tragedy here is not that the Keith Olberman's of the world incite political activism and discourse, it's that in our society a kid like this who displays numerous signs of instability while interacting with numerous people (including I might point out, the good sheriff and his department) didn't get routed to the proper people for care and treatment.

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I agree. I'm willing to see more tax dollars used for proper mental health care for vulnerable citizens like this shooter. It is worth it to potentially save lives.

I have no idea about the situation in this AZ county, but in some places mental health facilities are downsizing because of budget cuts, releasing people early, having more restrictions on who to accept and generally providing fewer services. Seems it is more likely that mentally ill will be in jail (with little or no treatment) than in a treatment facillity.


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[Elephant Child]

I am not saying that Palin is directly responsible for this tragedy (yet).

But when she literally draws gun sights on a politician who gets shot along with many others and then immediately starts destroying evidence when the incident occurs it isn't a huge leap or some 'long squiggly twisted line of convoluted lefty logic.'

Palin spews idiocy, lies, irresponsibility, and fiery rhetoric. That will be the case whether there is a link between her and this incident or not.

Are gun sights similiar to the bulls eye targets that the Dems used?

 

[Elephant Child]

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This is my how I feel also.

It isn?t about banning or legislating.

It?s about all of us being willing to speak out against inflamatory rhetoric, vitriol, and the like if we do not like it - and expecting the same from our representatives, news media, pundits, etc. It doesn?t mean they have to do it, just that maybe they won?t if there is no benefit or if there are negative repercussions. If incivility, vitriol and the like doesn?t work then there is a better chance that it will be used less. I would think incendiary remarks would have the greatest effect on unstable people who are less likely to process in the way intended.


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Why aren't we asking why this young man didn't receive help? He had trouble in high school, he had trouble with the local police department, he was kicked out of college, his teachers, his neighbors, even his peers saw he had mental problems but yet nothing was done. What about his parents...didn't they notice his alter, his strange behavior? The first clerk at Walmart where he went to get the bullets saw that he was acting strange and refused to sell him the bullets...but he didn't called the police, no one did any follow ups on what they saw...Why not, it was because we as a group are afraid to report folks like this, because it usually will be turned back on us..., we have to be careful we are political correct, so to avoid the finger pointing back at us, many say silent and just look away...I bet those 6 dead people and all those folks in the hospital fighting for their lives, would still be alive , IF someone had stood up and demanded that this mentally deranged guy be looked at and removed from society before he hurt someone.

 

[Elephant Child]

I've not read anything indicating she was targetted due to her politics. I have read she may have been targetted due to her religion though.

Some one reported that he was upset and angry at the Congress Woman because at a meeting about three years ago she answered a question in Spanish...and since" language and grammar" were wired into his brain ...perhaps this simple deed, of answering in Spanish made her his hated target and his focus ...

 

[newyorker]

Newyorker- good to have you back!

Thanks. I have a very demanding job, but I love going to Sowal tor some "beach time"....and I also appreciate the civility of discussions on this chatboard. I may not agree with some of the political or other discourse, and people may not agree with my opinions either, but I think we try to model what ought to be exchanges of sometimes deeply held opinions in ways that respect each other as human beings.

 

[poppy]

Couldn't find a link to this on Fox.com so you Fox watchers didn't get the memo that Roger Ailes wants you to tone it down.
Fox News' Roger Ailes: "Tone it Down" - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

 

[Kurt]

I find it ironic and pathetic that some politicians, media, sowal posters, elected officials etc. who are quick to blame hateful vitriol for the shootings are they themselves using hateful vitriol to make their point.

I believe you're overreacting and people on this forum are quite civil compared to all the noise in the system out there. Especially since a few people were asked to be nice or leave before Christmas and they haven't been seen since. However:

Sarah Palin is a hateful, despicable media whore who panders to violent extremists.

No doubt she loves the spotlight but this is going too far.

 

[Kurt]

Thanks. I have a very demanding job, but I love going to Sowal tor some "beach time"....and I also appreciate the civility of discussions on this chatboard. I may not agree with some of the political or other discourse, and people may not agree with my opinions either, but I think we try to model what ought to be exchanges of sometimes deeply held opinions in ways that respect each other as human beings.

Thank you. Please post more often.