Beach erosion meeting tonight-Thursday7pm

[Miss Kitty]

I can certainly agree with WLD on one thing here....everyone I have spoken to here (WC) has spoken of the need to make things "pretty" and stablize the dunes. I have called them on the "pretty" since I am more concerned with long term effects than aesthetics (sp?). I am sure they have property owners here that only look at the immediate "eyesore" and are trying to appease them. That said, there are probably a thousand stories up and down the beach of people and developers trying to "save" the dunes and their homes...and no clear cut answer.

 

[Sheila]

I can certainly agree with WLD on one thing here....everyone I have spoken to here (WC) has spoken of the need to make things "pretty" and stablize the dunes. I have called them on the "pretty" since I am more concerned with long term effects than aesthetics (sp?). I am sure they have property owners here that only look at the immediate "eyesore" and are trying to appease them. That said, there are probably a thousand stories up and down the beach of people and developers trying to "save" the dunes and their homes...and no clear cut answer.

We heard the same at our HOA meeting today. We are all in agreement here. We want to do the right thong for the long term. That was amazing that we had one issue we all agreed on.

 

[Miss Kitty]

We heard the same at our HOA meeting today. We are all in agreement here. We want to do the right thong for the long term. That was amazing that we had one issue we all agreed on.

That's great to hear! I had forgotten this was your HOA weekend! Your avatar is spicy!

 

[Smiling JOe]

to Aquatic....:
In regards to what Seaside is going to do. What I provided is just a outline of an engineeering project in process so it would be inappropriate to criticize it. Also, the presenters only said it would not protect against storm surge-the coastal engineer is recommending dune renourishment.

Yes, he did recommend dune renourishment, but he was also quick to mention that it was like painting a house - it needs to be done often, after major storms, in order to be effective at keeping the homes, and beach. The renourished dunes will wash away with the next big storm, unless much time goes by before then, giving the plants plenty of time to take deep roots. The engineer knows that dune renourishment will not "protect" against a big storm, thought it will act as a sacrificial offering against smaller storms.

 

[Smiling JOe]

I can certainly agree with WLD on one thing here....everyone I have spoken to here (WC) has spoken of the need to make things "pretty" and stablize the dunes. I have called them on the "pretty" since I am more concerned with long term effects than aesthetics (sp?). I am sure they have property owners here that only look at the immediate "eyesore" and are trying to appease them. That said, there are probably a thousand stories up and down the beach of people and developers trying to "save" the dunes and their homes...and no clear cut answer.

I think most are trying to save the homes. If they were trying to save the dunes, they would not have built directly on top of them.

 

[ecopal]

I just heard today that Geotubes are being considered by many Gulf front developments. I was also told that in order to install them they dig a 5 foot hole in the beach to put them in. Yikes! Can anyone confirm that?

Regarding beach renourishment: At least one of the presenters said that it would not help provide meaningful protecton from storm surge. However, the coastal engineer did plan to bring in sand to build the dune as one component of a complex multi ply layering and wrapping project to protect the bluffs at Seaside.

That "Seaside Layering Proposal"or "Multi Layer Wrapping Proposal" seems the best of a lot of bad options. I hope they do it just to see if it works! Even if it doesn't hold up to a storm at least it would probably have minimal negative consequences such as contibuting less to the after storm beach debris.

It could also be said of the 'Geotubes' is that they also may not be as harmful -except digging a hole to put them in-or as ugly as the massive seawalls now being built.

Ideally I agree with WLD-let nature renourish the beaches-but then we would have to adopt a "retreat" strategy which would amount to removing buildings that are too close to the Gulf ( and in immediate danger of being washed away) inorder to facilitate natural renourishment. I will let WLD propose that at the next County Commssion meeting, and I may clap in support if I feel especially brave at the moment.

 

[Miss Kitty]

If I remember correctly, the pitch at WC was to dig 2 ft. below sea level to place the Protectube.

 

[Miss Kitty]

Dam*, people....high tide is a biatch! We need some beach and quick! One time the water came in so fast...and only 8-10 feet from the toe of the dune!!!! Other than that, it was a beautiful sunset. HMM saw Molly on the beach for the first time! Yes, we DO follow the rules on that! I played dune nazi and I must say I am SOOOO tired of irresponsible ADULTS! They looked at me like I had on a PURPLE WIG OR SOMETHING!!! I took some pics of the most beautiful sky...this place is heaven on earth!

 

[Smiling JOe]

I just heard today that Geotubes are being considered by many Gulf front developments. I was also told that in order to install them they dig a 5 foot hole in the beach to put them in. Yikes! Can anyone confirm that?...
That "Seaside Layering Proposal"or "Multi Layer Wrapping Proposal" seems the best of a lot of bad options. I hope they do it just to see if it works! Even if it doesn't hold up to a storm at least it would probably have minimal negative consequences such as contibuting less to the after storm beach debris. ...

From the photos which I have seen (Kurt posted), it does appear that a large trough is dug prior to placing the geotubes.


Maybe you are comparing the netting to the number of boards. The engineer says that the layers of material that he would use would be about one inch thick. I wonder if you have ever tried to pull a leftover tent out of the sand? If this stuff washes onto the beach, we will never get it removed. Less debris? - I could debate that. If you want to see if something works, test it in small sections on a research beach.

 

[aquaticbiology]

Ideally I agree with WLD-let nature renourish the beaches-but then we would have to adopt a "retreat" strategy which would amount to removing buildings that are too close to the Gulf ( and in immediate danger of being washed away) inorder to facilitate natural renourishment. I will let WLD propose that at the next County Commssion meeting, and I may clap in support if I feel especially brave at the moment.

:clap_1: I wasn't even brave enough to say it! But now that you've opened the can...The real answer for the county, of course, is to let the houses fall into the gulf, after the homeowners expend great expense to prevent it (and keep raising their taxes the longer they hang on to the edge), and then charge the homeowner heavily for debris removal once the house dies fall in, then the impoverished homeowner will lose all their money, and thus lose their clout within the county and will humbly accept rebuilding away from the gulffront. Oh, yeah, and cancel all their insurance in the meantime. Seriously, I feel for you guys that are on the brink of disaster, but, like an old comedian once said about the starving millions in Bangladesh, we really should be sending them U-hauls instead of bags of rice.