McCain's Freedom Destroying Bill

[Lynnie]

We don't have a Trader Joes.

Dangitall. I could start an import business. Or, one could be erected on Hwy 98.

 

[30ashopper]

Dangitall. I could start an import business. Or, one could be erected on Hwy 98.

I'll take that over another WalMart!

 

[Lynnie]

I'll take that over another WalMart!

I know. I actually thought the layoffs WalMart is having would curtail the 98 store.

 

[Gidget]

Is this really directed at supplements or a back door way of over turning legalized marijuana?

Ha! Wouldn't doubt that a bit!! (you know that big pharma, alcohol industry and union of prison guards are big time behind making sure pot never becomes legalized - and working to turn over even medical MJ

Back to thread:

FDA "experts" will decide what's a drug or medical device under these proposed guidelines, FDA "experts" (the same corrupt officials who reapproved Vioxx after it killed over 50,000 Americans) will decide whether herbs, supplements, vitamins or simple devices like massage stones are to be regulated as drugs and medical devices. If the FDA experts, in their infinite wisdom, decide that these things are to be reclassified, they will essentially be outlawed, stripped from the shelves, and regulated out of existence. Anyone who dares to manufacture, promote or sell such products may be branded a criminal and rounded up by armed FDA agents who have a well established history of suppressing natural medicine.
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That's what they're sayin' will happen.

I'm w/Susan on this one. And btw, we ALL need to do our homework on what we put in our bodies. I sure don't seem them regulating cheeseburgers cheeseburgers cheeseburgers ....;-)

There are warnings on Tylenol saying that taken w/alcohol can cause liver damage. Guess how many people even read that....

G

 

[Miss Critter]

Those of you who immediately thought of Enzyte and ephedra when the topic of supplements came up should consider yourselves fortunate that neither you nor a family member suffers from a debilitating or chronic condition alleviated through the use of legitimate dietary supplements. Did you, for instance, know that people with gluten sensitivity issues benefit greatly from supplemental B vitamins and certain digestive enzymes? No, I didn't think so. Or that people on statin drugs need supplemental CoQ10 to keep their hearts and other muscles functioning properly? No, I didn't think so. Or that cancer patients undergoing chemotherapy can reduce fatigue and nausea from using a concentrated greens supplement? No, I didn't think so. I could go on and on about LEGITIMATE uses of LEGITMATE dietary supplements for a multitide of conditions arising from heredity, circumstance or crappy luck. It incenses me that individuals with nothing to lose (so far) by the proposition of making any and/or all of these things financially or otherwise out of reach for intelligent people who choose to take control of their health purport to be "experts" on how the system should operate.

And by the way, legitimate supplment manufacturers and distributors could not stay in business if they were killing and disabling their customers as some seem to think. Plus, there is already a voluntary monitoring agency that reputable companies eagerly seek approval from to inform the public of their products' efficacy and potency, and it's worked at least as well as the FDA for the US and over 100 other countries.

The USP Dietary Supplement Verification Program

Program Overview


The USP Dietary Supplement Verification Program is a voluntary testing and auditing program that helps dietary supplement manufactures ensure the production of quality products for consumers. Available worldwide, the program verifies the quality, purity, and potency of dietary supplement finished products through the following processes:

• comprehensive laboratory testing of dietary supplement products and their ingredients against dietary supplement standards found in The United States Pharmacopeia and The National Formulary (USP?NF)
• a thorough manufacturing and quality control document review
• an on-site manufacturing facility audit for compliance with USP standards and FDA current Good Manufacturing Practices (21 CFR Part 111)
• random off-the-shelf testing to confirm that USP Verified products continue to meet USP's strict standards

Learn more about the USP Verification Process.

The USP Verified Mark and what it means


Products that meet the program's stringent criteria are awarded the distinctive USP Verified Mark for use on labels, packaging, and promotional materials. The Mark makes it easy for customers, healthcare practitioners, and retailers to identify USP Verified products. Seeing the USP Verified Mark on a label indicates that the dietary supplement product inside

• Contains the ingredients listed on the label, in the declared potency and amounts. Tests have shown that contents of some supplements don't match the label and some contain significantly less or more than the claimed amount of key ingredients. There may be health risks when supplements taken for a specific health condition do not contain ingredients in appropriate quantities. USP Dietary Supplement Verification helps assure customers that they are getting the value they expect from a product they are purchasing.
• Does not contain harmful levels of specified contaminants. Some supplements have been shown to contain harmful levels of certain heavy metals (e.g., lead and mercury), pesticides, bacteria, molds, toxins, or other contaminants. At specific levels these contaminants can pose serious risks to one's health.
• Will break down and release into the body within a specified amount of time If a supplement does not break down properly to allow its ingredients to dissolve in the body, the consumer will not get the full benefit of its contents. USP Dietary Supplement Verification tests products against federally-recognized dissolution standards.
• Has been made according to FDA current GMPs using sanitary and well-controlled procedures. Assurance of safe, sanitary, well-controlled, and well-documented manufacturing and monitoring processes indicates that a supplement manufacturer is quality-conscious and concerned for public well-being.

Where you can find the Mark


The USP Verified Mark can be found on dietary supplement products stocked in U.S. pharmacies, wholesale clubs, groceries, and other retail outlets. (See a complete list of current USP Verified products.) The USP Verified Mark also appears next to verified products featured on several professional and consumer heath databases: Natural Medicines Comprehensive Database?www.naturaldatabase.com, ConsumerReportsHealth.org, and PogoHealth.com. (A subscription may be necessary to view site information.)
What makes the program unique

A nonprofit federally recognized standards-setting organization, USP is the only such organization that also offers voluntary verification services. USP's expertise in the field stems from its nearly 200 years of experience establishing standards of quality for medications and, more recently, dietary supplements and food ingredients. USP standards are use in more than 130 countries and are federally recognized per the Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act and the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act.
Learn more about USP Dietary Supplement Verification and USP Verified products through our resources section. Or, find out how you can participate in the program.

The United States Pharmacopeial Convention

 

[30ashopper]

Ha! Wouldn't doubt that a bit!! (you know that big pharma, alcohol industry and union of prison guards are big time behind making sure pot never becomes legalized - and working to turn over even medical MJ

I agree with the second two, but not the first. Drug companies already sell legal forms of dope. I'd much prefer buying it from them, after their brand has approval of the FDA, vs. buying from "Big Bill" who promises it's straight from Humbolt county, and organically grown. ;-)

 

[LuciferSam]

Now you've done it
I'm saving all my energy to fight coastal drilling and steering clear of this mess.

Oh come on, I broke the ice on this one for you!

 

[30A Skunkape]

Oh come on, I broke the ice on this one for you!

Naah. Most here know what I am going to say and if they don't they can go dig and find it, if they care. It is as useful as slugging it out on the latest "I hate bicyclists on 30-A" thread.

 

[LuciferSam]

I agree with the second two, but not the first. Drug companies already sell legal forms of dope. I'd much prefer buying it from them, after their brand has approval of the FDA, vs. buying from "Big Bill" who promises it's straight from Humbolt county, and organically grown. ;-)

I'm wondering is it better to eat mushrooms from corn fed or grass fed cow turds?

 

[Mango]

Those of you who immediately thought of Enzyte and ephedra when the topic of supplements came up should consider yourselves fortunate that neither you nor a family member suffers from a debilitating or chronic condition alleviated through the use of legitimate dietary supplements. Did you, for instance, know that people with gluten sensitivity issues benefit greatly from supplemental B vitamins and certain digestive enzymes? No, I didn't think so. Or that people on statin drugs need supplemental CoQ10 to keep their hearts and other muscles functioning properly? No, I didn't think so. Or that cancer patients undergoing chemotherapy can reduce fatigue and nausea from using a concentrated greens supplement? No, I didn't think so. I could go on and on about LEGITIMATE uses of LEGITMATE dietary supplements for a multitide of conditions arising from heredity, circumstance or crappy luck. It incenses me that individuals with nothing to lose (so far) by the proposition of making any and/or all of these things financially or otherwise out of reach for intelligent people who choose to take control of their health purport to be "experts" on how the system should operate.

And by the way, legitimate supplment manufacturers and distributors could not stay in business if they were killing and disabling their customers as some seem to think. Plus, there is already a voluntary monitoring agency that reputable companies eagerly seek approval from to inform the public of their products' efficacy and potency, and it's worked at least as well as the FDA for the US and over 100 other countries.

I wish I could thank you a dozen times for that post.

Many doctors who are in the know about cancer or treat cancer recommend Juice Plus - they look like gummy bears or tablets for adults. It helps meet the AHA and ACS guidelines for eating 9-13 servings of fruits and vegetable a day. I don't know about anyone else, but even my doctor admits that he doesn't even consume that much in one day and he takes these supplements. Benefits: antioxidation, immune support, cardiovascular support, may inhibit cancer cells. (too much more to list)

If you think there is isn't any supportive research on supplements, you haven't googled Pubmed. Punch in an herb or supplement and there are numerous studies by Physicians/ Researchers about just about everything and how they can be used with certain diseases. You won't always find these are in vivo - with humans, but I think that it would be literally impossible to say that XYZ mgs will work for ABC disease biologically for everyone. Some things are trial and error, just as long as you do not abuse it.

Personally, I take many supplements that are recommended by my Physician. I don't have to buy them from him, but the ones he does recommend meet the standards he feels comfortable with. He has felt forced to practice Alternative medicine along with traditional because traditional medicine has failed some patients and also helps ease pain or brings people back to health faster. It also keeps people from seeing him as often and that makes him happy.

But, if the FDA gets involved, it's possible that even Physicians and Homeopathic Practitioners may be restricted in what they can recommend.

This Bill is about the almighty dollar and restricting what for some people is preventive medicine. keep em sick, go to Dr., get a pill, pharmaceutical industry fat and happy.