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Or, you could just watch "Food, Inc"

I saw Food Inc. Not a bad movie but half-assed when it came to presenting hard data and appealing to reason. Had it been a good documentary it would have addressed counterarguments more thoroughly. It was indeed a superb propaganda piece.
 
how is the built in pesticide, that the plant produces, toxic for humans?

Exactly. Chocolate would be banned based on results of canine consumption. Besides aren't rats an agricultural pest?:idontno: I'll be alarmed when some sicko fabricates Roundup ready dollar weed.

Food for Thought:

Safety and advantages of Bacillus thuringiensis-pr... [Regul Toxicol Pharmacol. 2000] - PubMed result

Safety and advantages of Bacillus thuringiensis-protected plants to control insect pests.

Betz FS, Hammond BG, Fuchs RL.

Jellinek, Schwartz and Connolly, Washington, DC, USA.

Comment in:

* Regul Toxicol Pharmacol. 2001 Feb;33(1):1.

Plants modified to express insecticidal proteins from Bacillus thuringiensis (referred to as Bt-protected plants) provide a safe and highly effective method of insect control. Bt-protected corn, cotton, and potato were introduced into the United States in 1995/1996 and grown on a total of approximately 10 million acres in 1997, 20 million acres in 1998, and 29 million acres globally in 1999. The extremely rapid adoption of these Bt-protected crops demonstrates the outstanding grower satisfaction of the performance and value of these products. These crops provide highly effective control of major insect pests such as the European corn borer, southwestern corn borer, tobacco budworm, cotton bollworm, pink bollworm, and Colorado potato beetle and reduce reliance on conventional chemical pesticides. They have provided notably higher yields in cotton and corn. The estimated total net savings to the grower using Bt-protected cotton in the United States was approximately $92 million in 1998. Other benefits of these crops include reduced levels of the fungal toxin fumonisin in corn and the opportunity for supplemental pest control by beneficial insects due to the reduced use of broad-spectrum insecticides. Insect resistance management plans are being implemented to ensure the prolonged effectiveness of these products. Extensive testing of Bt-protected crops has been conducted which establishes the safety of these products to humans, animals, and the environment. Acute, subchronic, and chronic toxicology studies conducted over the past 40 years establish the safety of the microbial Bt products, including their expressed insecticidal (Cry) proteins, which are fully approved for marketing. Mammalian toxicology and digestive fate studies, which have been conducted with the proteins produced in the currently approved Bt-protected plant products, have confirmed that these Cry proteins are nontoxic to humans and pose no significant concern for allergenicity. Food and feed derived from Bt-protected crops which have been fully approved by regulatory agencies have been shown to be substantially equivalent to the food and feed derived from conventional crops. Nontarget organisms exposed to high levels of Cry protein are virtually unaffected, except for certain insects that are closely related to the target pests. Because the Cry protein is contained within the plant (in microgram quantities), the potential for exposure to farm workers and nontarget organisms is extremely low. The Cry proteins produced in Bt-protected crops have been shown to rapidly degrade when crop residue is incorporated into the soil. Thus the environmental impact of these crops is negligible. The human and environmental safety of Bt-protected crops is further supported by the long history of safe use for Bt microbial pesticides around the world. Copyright 2000 Academic Press.
 
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Good reading. I saw Food Inc. and do believe major companies put their profit before the health of people.

I'm skipping the butter on the popcorn just in case it's toxic too. Wonder what kind of seeds Orville grows. I think I'll go stick some out in the back yard and see if they'll grow. Probably won't.
 
Is this all you have to do? I guess it is very easy to complain when your stomach is full isn't it? Why don't you tell that to the over 15 million children who die of hunger every year! Are you going to feed them with that precious 10 ft of organic irrigated garden you have? Better yet, sponsor one and send them 10.00 a month to make yourself feel better. Think about that as you drive 3 miles and spend less than 10% of your income of any possible food you can imagine. People you cannot feed the world with your backyard "organic garden" it is not possible. And while you continue to take farmers land to save your precious endangered "delta smelt" minnows, you tell me exactly how this is going to get done? IT IS NOT POSSIBLE. Crops have been genetically modified since the beginning of time. Did you know we have to produce more food in the next 50 years than in the last 10,000 combined? So climb down out of your tree beacause the world is not out to get you.

People don't die of hunger because we cannot produce enough food using safe methods. Remember that the government actually PAYS farmers billions to produce less. :roll:
 
Interesting fact is that Food Inc. does not take an anti-GMO position as best as I could tell. They were too busy expressing outrage over the fact that Monsanto is going after farmers who are reusing their patented GMO Roundup ready seed. The message I got from this is that farmers should be allowed to use GMO products freely and that corporations shouldn't be allowed to patent life forms. Sounds like they took a GMO tolerant position to me.
 
:popcorn:

Good reading. I saw Food Inc. and do believe major companies put their profit before the health of people.

I'm skipping the butter on the popcorn just in case it's toxic too. Wonder what kind of seeds Orville grows. I think I'll go stick some out in the back yard and see if they'll grow. Probably won't.

Now that's something that should carry a warning because the diacetyl used as butter flavoring is known to cause irreversible lung damage if inhaled. I prefer the "Simply Salted" myself though that contains palm oil.
 
Interesting fact is that Food Inc. does not take an anti-GMO position as best as I could tell. They were too busy expressing outrage over the fact that Monsanto is going after farmers who are reusing their patented GMO Roundup ready seed. The message I got from this is that farmers should be allowed to use GMO products freely and that corporations shouldn't be allowed to patent life forms. Sounds like they took a GMO tolerant position to me.

I thought they were pro-heirloom and non-modified seeds. :idontno:
 
I thought they were pro-heirloom and non-modified seeds. :idontno:

The issue I'm referrring to had to do with patented GM seed. In this segment, the outrage was over Monsanto trying to prevent farmers from saving this seed, not over the fact that farmers were using the seed in the first place.
 
They also talked about how they were taking over the industry, limiting number of choices, drawing up blacklists of farmers, and "contaminating" other fields' seeds.

Didn't think it was pro-GM, just that they chose the most extreme case to make a point.
 
Exactly. Chocolate would be banned based on results of canine consumption. Besides aren't rats an agricultural pest?:idontno: I'll be alarmed when some sicko fabricates Roundup ready dollar weed.

Food for Thought:

Safety and advantages of Bacillus thuringiensis-pr... [Regul Toxicol Pharmacol. 2000] - PubMed result

Safety and advantages of Bacillus thuringiensis-protected plants to control insect pests.

Betz FS, Hammond BG, Fuchs RL.

Jellinek, Schwartz and Connolly, Washington, DC, USA.

Comment in:

* Regul Toxicol Pharmacol. 2001 Feb;33(1):1.

Plants modified to express insecticidal proteins from Bacillus thuringiensis (referred to as Bt-protected plants) provide a safe and highly effective method of insect control. Bt-protected corn, cotton, and potato were introduced into the United States in 1995/1996 and grown on a total of approximately 10 million acres in 1997, 20 million acres in 1998, and 29 million acres globally in 1999. The extremely rapid adoption of these Bt-protected crops demonstrates the outstanding grower satisfaction of the performance and value of these products. These crops provide highly effective control of major insect pests such as the European corn borer, southwestern corn borer, tobacco budworm, cotton bollworm, pink bollworm, and Colorado potato beetle and reduce reliance on conventional chemical pesticides. They have provided notably higher yields in cotton and corn. The estimated total net savings to the grower using Bt-protected cotton in the United States was approximately $92 million in 1998. Other benefits of these crops include reduced levels of the fungal toxin fumonisin in corn and the opportunity for supplemental pest control by beneficial insects due to the reduced use of broad-spectrum insecticides. Insect resistance management plans are being implemented to ensure the prolonged effectiveness of these products. Extensive testing of Bt-protected crops has been conducted which establishes the safety of these products to humans, animals, and the environment. Acute, subchronic, and chronic toxicology studies conducted over the past 40 years establish the safety of the microbial Bt products, including their expressed insecticidal (Cry) proteins, which are fully approved for marketing. Mammalian toxicology and digestive fate studies, which have been conducted with the proteins produced in the currently approved Bt-protected plant products, have confirmed that these Cry proteins are nontoxic to humans and pose no significant concern for allergenicity. Food and feed derived from Bt-protected crops which have been fully approved by regulatory agencies have been shown to be substantially equivalent to the food and feed derived from conventional crops. Nontarget organisms exposed to high levels of Cry protein are virtually unaffected, except for certain insects that are closely related to the target pests. Because the Cry protein is contained within the plant (in microgram quantities), the potential for exposure to farm workers and nontarget organisms is extremely low. The Cry proteins produced in Bt-protected crops have been shown to rapidly degrade when crop residue is incorporated into the soil. Thus the environmental impact of these crops is negligible. The human and environmental safety of Bt-protected crops is further supported by the long history of safe use for Bt microbial pesticides around the world. Copyright 2000 Academic Press.


Betz, Hammond, and Fuchs was one of many independent studies. As we can see, some of the other tests are posted on this board.
Jellinek, Schwartz, and Connolly worked for Monsanto.
Beyond Pesticides
 
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