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Petition to Ban Confederate Flag from Walton County Courthouse

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I don't understand this obsession with heritage. OK so 150 years ago your misguided ancestors died in vain for a lost cause. Excuse me if I'm missing something, but where is the honor in that?

I'm sure that it hasn't occurred to you that they don't believe their ancestors died in vain. Had you actually listened to what those who spoke said (with so much passion and conviction) was that they died fighting and protecting their homes, loved ones and their way of life for something they believed in.

I think there is a huge amount of honor owed to every American who fought and died in any war for something they believed in...Arlington National Cemetery is full of them.
 
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I wish that "someone's" question would be answered. "The Uhlfelders speak of injustice in our Courts but offer absolutely no proof that anyone in Walton County has been treated unjustly and had it proven in a court of law and a conviction or verdict overturned." Maybe you do not get the implied questionso how about this: Name one person or one case where justice was not obtained or one verdict that was overturned due to the Confederate flag flying at the Civil War Memorial? Do you have proof or are you just going to sling mud against the wall and hope some of it sticks?

That's not the point. You still remove dog poop even if no one has stepped in it.
 
I'm sure that it hasn't occurred to you that they don't believe their ancestors died in vain. Had you actually listened to what those who spoke said (with so much passion and conviction) was that they died fighting and protecting their homes, loved ones and their way of life for something they believed in.

I think there is a huge amount of honor owed to every American who fought and died in any war for something they believed in...Arlington National Cemetery is full of them.

Really? Honor? For what? Are you saying as a citizens we owe Confederate soldiers a debt of gratitude? For what? Please tell me what foreign language I might be speaking if not for the Confederacy. Please tell me how much freer I would be if the Confederacy had prevailed. There are are actually some Confederate soldiers who were buried at Arlington, but here is the catch they had to EARN IT. The had to demonstrate that they were good citizens who realized the error of their ways. They had to give up clinging to the antebellum utopian fairy tale. If they could do this back in the early 1900s, why can't some Walton County residents do this 100 years later?
 
Wow, it amazes me the complete and utter lack of historical knowledge here. You do realize the South started the war right? In all ways. Emotionally, physically, and rhetorically. Again, I fail to ascertain the desire to celebrate an ass whoopin'.
 
Wow, it amazes me the complete and utter lack of historical knowledge here. You do realize the South started the war right? In all ways. Emotionally, physically, and rhetorically. Again, I fail to ascertain the desire to celebrate an ass whoopin'.

It's a memorial of death...not a celebratory a$$ whoopin.
 
The Confederacy was the cause of the death of 640,000 Americans. Where is the honor in that?
 
I fail to ascertain giving a crap about some of my truly despicable dead relatives over the last 100 years. Some of them I'd like to go back in time and whoop their momma's ass, but then I guess I wouldn't be here if I did that.
 
Why oh why do you want to honor traitors? We need more flags to honor the heritage of all traitors in our countries history. On government property. Stet.

Andy
There were indeed many speakers both pro and con for removing the flag. There was not any debate or discussion about putting up the original slavery , treasonous flag. The commission did not discuss a compromise, 2 of the members held up pictures of the slave flag and boom , a vote on a compromise . There was no public comment on a so called compromise.
 
Cuff, you are trying to change history. At the beginning of the topic, before one word was said by anyone else, Ms. Commander made a motion to change the flag to the "Stars and Bars." Mr. Chapman 2nd the motion for discussion purposes. THEN all the members of the public were allowed to comment ON THE MOTION. You do not get to talk about whatever you want to talk about in an official meeting. You are discussing a motion on the table. So everyone had a chance to speak to the motion. If you look at the tape, you will see that when I talked I spoke IN FAVOR of the motion. Several others did as well. Most of the removers talked about the battle flag coming down which was part of the motion. So, in essence, they spoke in favor of the motion. If that was not their intent that is their fault, not the BCC or the supporters of the flag. After public comment closed Mr. Chapman withdrew is 2nd and the motion died for lack of a 2nd. Mr. Chapman then motion to remove the flag entirely. Mr. Imfeld passed the gavel and 2nd the motion for purposes of discussion. Then Ms. Meadows made a statement and at the end of her remarks indicated that she wished to 2nd the Commander motion. Mr. Imfeld then withdrew his 2nd and the Chapman motion died for lack of a 2nd. Ms. Commander then restated the original motion, Ms. Meadows 2nd and the motion passed 4-0. That is how things transpired.
 
Some people need to enroll in a history class. While the South fired the first shots at Ft. Sumter, it is important to remember that South Carolina has seceded and in their view the Union troops were invaders of their home. They had repeatedly asked the Union to vacate the fort.
The South did not view themselves as traitors. In those times people viewed their primary allegiance as being to their home state, not the Federal government. This was true in both the North and South. You must remember that the US was only about 84 years old and those states had rebelled against what they considered to be the tyranny of Great Britain to form a confederation. The Federal Government was only 73 years old and people in both the North and South considered it their right to leave the Union if they chose to. The New England states, lead by Massachusetts and Connecticut threatened to secede over the War of 1812 and the growing power of the Democrats over the Federalist party. Many abolitionists, such as William Lloyd Garrison, pushed for the North to secede over slavery. South Carolina threatened to secede in 1828 over tariffs and in 1850 over California's entry in to the Union. So, the concept was not foreign to those of that era and they considered it their right.
As far as who whipped who, considering the overwhelming advantages the North had over the South in industry, in population, in Railways and shipping, in soldiers and in armaments, it is a wonder the South was able to fight as long as it did. Until 1863 the South was winning and in the end Grant had a 4 or 5 to 1 advantage over Lee. Lee consistently defeated much larger Union armies and Southern soldiers fought valiantly, often barefoot and half starved due to supply issues. The Southern soldier had nothing to be ashamed of for losing to a better equipped, numerically superior foe.
 
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