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Just for my own purposes, I have tried to condense the "espionage case" into a condensed version. This is what it looks like to me (so far) :

DOJ Case:

Trump had, in his possession, government documents (regardless of classified status), that he was not authorized to possess – Trump has admitted he had the documents multiple times

Trump was formally, legally, requested to return the documents – he refused, repeatedly – Documented

DOJ recovered these documents from Trump’s night club – Documented

He has been ordered by the special master to show cause why he had a reason to possess them- he has not complied

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Trump’s defense:

(1) I declassified them – doesn’t provide any proof – but, it doesn’t matter, possession of the documents, regardless if they are classified or not, is a crime

(2) I didn’t know they were there – he has admitted ordering them taken: some of them found in his desk

(3) FBI planted them – he has been asked by the special master to provide proof – he has not complied
What MAGAs never acknowledge is everytime trump has the chance to prove his claims in court he never does. He can lie all he wants in public, but under oath he can’t because his lies will have consequences.
 
What is amazing to me is trump's whole life body of work is crooked and abusive and yet people like LD and other maga trump people will defend him all the way to hell and back. They keep wanting to make the point that all politicians are crooked and abusive and well trump is no different. Instead of a Democracy where there are checks and balances on abusive power they want a totalitarian regime where crooked and abusive power is just fine with them. Less government is not a totalitarian regime. Their fear of change drives them to accept corrupt leaders and the hatred that comes with those leaders. We have come a long way as a Country to address our biases and prejudices and this conservative movement to turn back the clock is wrong no matter what words they use to justify themselves. We have to fight now. We need to look at these upcoming elections like it is our duty to involve more people to vote...
 
What MAGAs never acknowledge is everytime trump has the chance to prove his claims in court he never does. He can lie all he wants in public, but under oath he can’t because his lies will have consequences.
The latest thing I read, just a minute ago, was that Pillow Man's appeal to get his phone back was blocked because of a judge's ruling in the "Espionage Case". I may need more coffee to understand this entirely. I know one thing: the scriptwriters who are working on bringing this saga to the big screen are going to have their hand's full making it believable.
 
What is amazing to me is trump's whole life body of work is crooked and abusive and yet people like LD and other maga trump people will defend him all the way to hell and back. They keep wanting to make the point that all politicians are crooked and abusive and well trump is no different. Instead of a Democracy where there are checks and balances on abusive power they want a totalitarian regime where crooked and abusive power is just fine with them. Less government is not a totalitarian regime. Their fear of change drives them to accept corrupt leaders and the hatred that comes with those leaders. We have come a long way as a Country to address our biases and prejudices and this conservative movement to turn back the clock is wrong no matter what words they use to justify themselves. We have to fight now. We need to look at these upcoming elections like it is our duty to involve more people to vote...
But, what frightens me more than the orange blimp, is the number of 'Americans' who are worse than he is. What will they do when he dies? Claim wrong doing? Ellen
 
But, what frightens me more than the orange blimp, is the number of 'Americans' who are worse than he is. What will they do when he dies? Claim wrong doing? Ellen
I know. Me too. DeSantis is showing that he can be even more destruction to our Democracy and social order than trump. I talk to these people on a regular basis and I think it will take time for them to see through their fear of a changing world. The religious element is what is most disappointing to me personally because I hear the hypocrisy even in my own family who I love and know them to be good people. Many better than me for sure. They are not able to accept this changing world and they feel like they have to fight for the good old days of privilege and prejudice. It is not ignorance causing this. It is a resistance to listening and learning to anything more than what they hear on Fox News and conservative talk shows and even on Sunday mornings in Church. I have personally witnessed the religious hypocrisies and selfish behaviors at an early age in my Sunday School class and by the actions of the Deacons in the Church. I remember saying to myself at 12 yo that something does not add up here. Anyway I just keep listening to them and they keep rejecting the truth about trump, desantis and the gop. I think the younger generation is our hope for a better future but in the mean time we need to keep hope alive with participation in our Democracy.
 
Just for my own purposes, I have tried to condense the "espionage case" into a condensed version. This is what it looks like to me (so far) :

DOJ Case:

Trump had, in his possession, government documents (regardless of classified status), that he was not authorized to possess – Trump has admitted he had the documents multiple times

Trump was formally, legally, requested to return the documents – he refused, repeatedly – Documented

DOJ recovered these documents from Trump’s night club – Documented

He has been ordered by the special master to show cause why he had a reason to possess them- he has not complied

______



Trump’s defense:

(1) I declassified them – doesn’t provide any proof – but, it doesn’t matter, possession of the documents, regardless if they are classified or not, is a crime

(2) I didn’t know they were there – he has admitted ordering them taken: some of them found in his desk

(3) FBI planted them – he has been asked by the special master to provide proof – he has not complied
It is not a crime for an ex president to have ANY paperwork if he declassified it while in office and he had the ability to declassify ALL OF IT. There is nothing that he couldn't have declassified and nothing that he couldn't have taken with him if it was declassified.
 
But, what frightens me more than the orange blimp, is the number of 'Americans' who are worse than he is. What will they do when he dies? Claim wrong doing? Ellen
Please expand on what you mean 'worse then he is'? In what way? Who? Would Trump be killed or die of natural causes?
 
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