Time for some to drop out...

[The Watcher]

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Watcher;
A fitness program would be beneficial to all deputies. I will encourage all of them to attend a program. Some do at this time. I believe due to the 10 hour shifts they are tired and just want to go home after their tour of duty. I have toyed with the idea of including a one hour physical program in their tour of duty. This hour could be at the end of the shift and there are many shift plans that support physical fitness programs. I believe if I could show the insurance companies we have a fitness plan in effect we may be able to get a better rate. It would be worth a try.
Thanks,
Rick

Thanks for the response, but you forgot to include the quotes as your last point was one already made by T. Cooper at the first Candidates Forum.

 

[The Watcher]

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Mr. Brown:
I must admit that you have been towards the bottom of my candidate rankings, but this reply is the type of thoughtful, detailed responses that the voters need to make a decision. Thanks and keep up this type of campaigning.

The idea of lowering insurance is an idea originally sparked by another Candidate. Nothing like taking others ideas to the bank. The reason this question was even asked is that I am aware of a situation where a "candidate" was asked about a physical fitness program, the answer they gave at that time was quite different than now...

 

[DFSboy]

I cannot engage in a discussion regarding the sheriff race, but I can give you an answer about "dilution." It happened in 2004, despite some questionable actions during RJ's first term that were loudly talked about in the media, just as much as anything since has been. Indeed, many, MANY more votes were cast against RJ than were cast for him, but the total for each candidate was less than the total an incumbent gets by name recognition alone. That is how RJ got a second term.

However, if you were here then, you already know that.[/quote

ShallowsNole,

Yes, I was here; however, all due respect, you did not educate me any at all about this whole dilution thing. You mentioned, "Many, many more votes were cast against RJ than were cast for him..." So are you saying all, or most, of those people that voted for Mr. McMillian, Chapman and Baker were merley doing so by being directly "against" Sheriff Johnson? Sound like you are, not to mention the other candidates in the election you are referring to. Uh, those other candidates did not really have support, they were just dumps for those votes "against" Sheriff Johnson. I don't think so.

ShallowsNole, try helping me understand again, if you will. So far, I still say most support equals most votes, or visa versa. Besides, if so, so "many" people were against Sheriff Johnson, how is that he still received the most votes? How come McMillian or Chapman did not receive the most votes, or Mr. Baker? What happened with the November election with Mr. McKee? Where were all those people who were "against" Sheriff Johnson then? I really need some help understanding all this dillution mess.

I'm waiting. Anyone else?

 

[Smiling JOe]

How do you feel about the implementation of a physical fitness program for ALL WCSO Sworn Officers? I'm not refering to lifting pens and pencils...

Watcher;
A fitness program would be beneficial to all deputies. I will encourage all of them to attend a program. Some do at this time. I believe due to the 10 hour shifts they are tired and just want to go home after their tour of duty. I have toyed with the idea of including a one hour physical program in their tour of duty. This hour could be at the end of the shift and there are many shift plans that support physical fitness programs. I believe if I could show the insurance companies we have a fitness plan in effect we may be able to get a better rate. It would be worth a try.
Thanks,
Rick

I have postponed reading this thread until today. I attended last night's Meet the Candidates Forum in Freeport. The first thought that went through my mind when I saw the candidates was, "Is there a requirement for every candidate for Sheriff to be overweight and without a smile?" I know the Sheriff's job doesn't place him on the street, running down criminals, but many, including Rick Brown, stated that they would lead by example. I wonder if examples of good, or bad, health also go through the ranks of officers? (I'm not without extra pounds myself, but I'm not leading a bunch of men and women who should be in decent/good physical condition.)

After listening closely, last night, I heard one voice who sounded like he knew what he was talking about -- Mike Atkinson. Mike definitely won't be chasing down criminals on foot, but I'd hate to be one he tackled. He is a big man. :shock: Whether he is all talk, I don't know, but the others didn't seem to walk the walk, and as the leader of the Sheriff's Dpt, one needs to talk and act like a leader. I didn't see this characteristic in any of the other candidates.

 

[ShallowsNole]

I cannot engage in a discussion regarding the sheriff race, but I can give you an answer about "dilution." It happened in 2004, despite some questionable actions during RJ's first term that were loudly talked about in the media, just as much as anything since has been. Indeed, many, MANY more votes were cast against RJ than were cast for him, but the total for each candidate was less than the total an incumbent gets by name recognition alone. That is how RJ got a second term.

However, if you were here then, you already know that.[/quote

ShallowsNole,

Yes, I was here; however, all due respect, you did not educate me any at all about this whole dilution thing. You mentioned, "Many, many more votes were cast against RJ than were cast for him..." So are you saying all, or most, of those people that voted for Mr. McMillian, Chapman and Baker were merley doing so by being directly "against" Sheriff Johnson? Sound like you are, not to mention the other candidates in the election you are referring to. Uh, those other candidates did not really have support, they were just dumps for those votes "against" Sheriff Johnson. I don't think so.

ShallowsNole, try helping me understand again, if you will. So far, I still say most support equals most votes, or visa versa. Besides, if so, so "many" people were against Sheriff Johnson, how is that he still received the most votes? How come McMillian or Chapman did not receive the most votes, or Mr. Baker? What happened with the November election with Mr. McKee? Where were all those people who were "against" Sheriff Johnson then? I really need some help understanding all this dillution mess.

I'm waiting. Anyone else?

I do not equate support with someone walking up to a touch-screen and thinking to him or herself "gee, he sounds familiar, I'll vote for him" or "he's the Republican candidate, I'm Republican, guess he is who I should vote for." Support is when you care about a candidate - good or bad - enough to talk to everyone you know and a bunch of people you don't know in hopes of persuading them to believe the same way you do. So, no, to me, votes do not necessarily equal support.

But, I do believe in dilution. I didn't, before the Republican primary in 2004. It is no secret what my beliefs were then, given my family's circumstances. But that primary made a believer out of me. :roll:

 

[DFSboy]

I do not equate support with someone walking up to a touch-screen and thinking to him or herself "gee, he sounds familiar, I'll vote for him" or "he's the Republican candidate, I'm Republican, guess he is who I should vote for." Support is when you care about a candidate - good or bad - enough to talk to everyone you know and a bunch of people you don't know in hopes of persuading them to believe the same way you do. So, no, to me, votes do not necessarily equal support.

But, I do believe in dilution. I didn't, before the Republican primary in 2004. It is no secret what my beliefs were then, given my family's circumstances. But that primary made a believer out of me. :roll:

ShallowsNole,

So if votes do not necessarily equal support, then how about your comment about those ?many MANY more votes were cast against RJ than were cast for him?? Were they really against him (RJ), or were they votes because the voter thought, ?gee he (McMillian, Chapman, Baker, etc) sounds familiar, I?ll vote for him.? See, you may have been on to something but heck, everyone knows McMillian and Chapman do sound familiar to Walton County, especially back in 2004. Clarify, you seem to be stomping all over your own words.

 

[ShallowsNole]

ShallowsNole,

So if votes do not necessarily equal support, then how about your comment about those ?many MANY more votes were cast against RJ than were cast for him?? Were they really against him (RJ), or were they votes because the voter thought, ?gee he (McMillian, Chapman, Baker, etc) sounds familiar, I?ll vote for him.? See, you may have been on to something but heck, everyone knows McMillian and Chapman do sound familiar to Walton County, especially back in 2004. Clarify, you seem to be stomping all over your own words.

That's funny, it's clear as glass to me. (Gee, where have I heard that phrase before? ;-))

So, using your theory of votes = support, who is going to win the Republican primary? Can RJ do it again? Stranger things have happened, y'know...

 

[DFSboy]

That's funny, it's clear as glass to me. (Gee, where have I heard that phrase before? ;-))

So, using your theory of votes = support, who is going to win the Republican primary? Can RJ do it again? Stranger things have happened, y'know...

ShallowNoles,

Can he (RJ) do it again? Of course he can. And, easier than some may think too. But I also believe Adkinson has already collected lots of support just the same as RJ did eight years ago. Enough to win? The key is to hang onto that support, grow it and finally equalize it into votes on primary day. Hey, I bet this statement will please Adkinson a little. It sorta sounds like I'm saying RJ has no further competition than Adkinson, or visa versa. As for RJ? he's not going to loose any sleep, win, loose or draw.

 

[ShallowsNole]

Only thing is, it is not just between RJ and Mike. Mike probably has DFS wrapped up, but Tom Cooper has a LOT of support down here, and Tony Cornman has more than you might suspect. And, don't forget RJ is from Glendale...

Peace?

 

[Starfish2008]

Tom Cooper is getting stronger all over the county. People like his ideas and positive campaign and are turned off by Adkinson's mudslinging and Johnson's constant fighting. Cornman is a good christian man but not living in the county hurts him. The rest don't even count.